Summoner Monk [DISC]

[EHERO Andrew]

I think we are gonna be seeing this card in a lot of meta decks.

 

 

Discuss

[Santi :D]

ROFL YES OMFG GLOLZ POAPTRAPTOR JESUS RAPPTOR LAZOR IMMA RAPING RPA

 

On-topic:

 

These decks can use the following card called Summonor Monk or "The Monk":

 

Zombies

Gladiators

Monarchs

Plants

(All other garden decks)

[tonisanoob]

1. this is the only thign that can search bountiful artemis

 

2. its literally soo amazing! and not even very broken

[EHERO Andrew]

This card + summoning 1 Lv4 Tuner = Instant Synchro Summon

[tonisanoob]

but thats a -2 from the hand for a synchro summon thats totally not worth it!

[EHERO Andrew]

who cares. if it makes it easier to synchro summon, i say it's worth it.

[13s unlucky 1]

Summone speacil a Three star tuner=Either Power tools or Black Wing Armor Master. Sick all it costs is one spell

[Santi :D]

This might get limited, depending if there will be abuse.

[13s unlucky 1]

This might get limited' date=' depending if there will be abuse.

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DEPENDING?!? ill guarntee there will be abuse

[That Fat Guy]

1 card OTK, crazy powerful, I don't think it's broken, though.

[Santi :D]

The post makes quite the interesting debacle.

[13s unlucky 1]

Exactly. This thing will likely die the turn after its summoned, they guarenteed that it cant be used as part of the attacks foran OTK by forcing it to defense and costs discards of a specific card. Good wil be used alot but certainly not broken

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

Summoner Monk should be banned. It's wrong on so many levels.

[Lazer Yoshi]

Needs higher DEF. Otherwise, great card. =D

[Guest PikaPerson01]

Summoner Monk should be banned. It's wrong on so many levels.

 

Prove it.

[Sleepy]

Summone speacil a Three star tuner=Either Power tools or Black Wing Armor Master. Sick all it costs is one spell

 

the SS monster has to be EXACTLY Level 4 :(.. still great card..

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

Summoner Monk should be banned. It's wrong on so many levels.

 

Prove it.

 

Prove it? Ban List placings are a matter of opinion, these opinions can't be proven facts. They can be agreed upon, but no Ban List placement opinion can be a fact. I can't prove it. I can however add reasoning to reinforce my opinion.

 

It changes the effect of any Spell Card you choose to "Special Summon 1 Level 4 monster from your Deck. That monster cannot attack this turn." Let's put this into perspective. By throwing out a Spell Card, you can transform this into a Level 8 Synchro of your choice. You're effectively discarding a Spell Card to Normal Summon any Level 8 Synchro from your hand. Obviously you can't Normal Summon Synchro Monsters, let alone from your hand, but this lets you essentially do this. Now let's put THAT into perspective. Instead of the regular 2 Monster Tributes from the field for a LV8, you just discard 1 Spell Card from your hand.

 

That's what Summoner Monk does. "Discard 1 Spell Card to turn me into Stardust Dragon, Red Dragon Archfiend, Thought Ruler Archfiend, Dark End Dragon, and anything in between."

 

THAT's just an option. The power of having any Level 4 monster you care to add to your Deck instantly out on the field, while also gaining any effects it may have, is ridiculous. Obviously there's the option of getting another Summon Priest for more crazy field presence, but there's SO much more than just that. You've got ANY LV4 you want. You want Phantom of Chaos to quickly access any non-Summon trigger/non-hand or Grave location requirement monster effect you've got in your Grave? Done. You want Diamond Dude for a cloned Spell effect to make up for your discarded Spell, AND the extra field presence of Diamond as a monster? Done. You want Snipe Hunter to roll out and murder a few cards? Done. You want Rescue Cat for another 2 monsters for even MORE field presence? Done.

 

The field presence alone is ridiculous, but also instantly gaining any Level 4 non-Summon trigger/non-hand or Grave location requirement TOO is cheap. Also having the option of Normal Summoning any LV8 Synchro of your choice with the discard of a Spell TOO is cheap (not to mention this can be done AFTER you activate the effect of the LV4 you grabbed).

 

Then as if all that wasn't bad enough, it's also the root of various OTKs (like its easy 1 card DSF OTK), and it's CCVable. Not like being CCVable counts for anything since it should be banned too, but assuming we can only get Summoner Monk banned and nothing else.

 

And THAT. Is why Summoner Monk should be banned.

[Sleepy]

I thought Rescue Cat was a level 3 :? did I remember wrong? if that's not the case, you can't use Summoner Monk in that...

 

The reasoning seems fair enough, but it still is a +0 as I see it, you loose 1 card to get another, guess the quality of the card you are getting is different, but still... if you decide to keep the monster you call, it won't battle, and if you want other options, you are still somehow paying your price and this is not the only card that lets you Summon something from your Deck (although the other cards that do it are Theme support, this card has the little non-Battle part ) =/

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

I thought Rescue Cat was a level 3 :? did I remember wrong?

 

You remembered wrong.

 

The reasoning seems fair enough' date=' but it still is a +0 as I see it, you loose 1 card to get another, guess the quality of the card you are getting is different, but still... if you decide to keep the monster you call, it won't battle, and if you want other options, you are still somehow paying your price and this is not the only card that lets you Summon something from your Deck (although the other cards that do it are Theme support, this card has the little non-Battle part ) =/

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A Monster on the field is more valuable than a Spell in hand, as it generates field presence. +0s are good, especially when they cost a card from your hand for a field monster. This's what makes cards like Smashing Ground and Fissure useful as opposed to useless because you're just losing a card for another. This's what makes Raiza and Caius useful. But with Summoner Monk you get any effect from any Level 4 instead of being forced to use a destruction, which can include another Summoner Monk, a quick monster destruction via Exiled Force, AND the fact that you can upgrade Summoner to a Synchro with the discarding of a Spell.

 

By discarding a Spell Card, Summoner Monk can generate more field presence, AND be able to have a 2/3 chance of destroying a monster with a discard multiple times per tern (Snipe), activating the effect of another Spell Card to make up for your loss of a Spell Card, rendering your extra field presence free (Diamond Dude), destroy a Spell or Trap (Breaker), get a Hero to your hand, making up for your discard (Stratos), be able to Special Summon 2 LV3 or lower Beasts (Rescue Cat), be able to gain any monster effect in your Graveyard (Phantom of Chaos), be able to evolve into a LV8 Synchro of your choice (Hyper Synchron, Rose, etc.), and much more.

 

It's the options that's the problem. It can provide field presence and gain such a huge magnitude of effects for you it's ridiculous. There're over 1000 LV4 monsters in the TCG. Speaks for itself.

 

Indeed, there ARE other cards which let you Special Summon from the Deck, but they have much more of a Limited range, and usually have conditions which would take them off the field, like with Attribute-based battle searchers. This loses you field presence. There's E-Tele, but it has a MUCH more restricted range and is limited to 1. There's GK Spy, but then again, a much more restricted range and is often destroyed when its effect activates. ANY Level 4 is the problem, it should negate the effect of the monster it Summons.

[「tea.leaf」]

Just when I thought you were gone.

 

WHAT THE F***.

[Sleepy]

all those things are good, but I still wouldn't put them in the "overpowered" category, it it didn't have that much range, It wouldn't be considered running it as much as is.....

 

I just checked rescue cat, right... its a Level 4,,, I got too lazy to check last time...U_U

[Flame Dragon]

By throwing out a Spell Card' date=' you can transform this into a Level 8 Synchro of your choice. You're effectively discarding a Spell Card to Normal Summon any Level 8 Synchro from your hand. Obviously you can't Normal Summon Synchro Monsters, let alone from your hand, but this lets you essentially do this. Now let's put THAT into perspective. Instead of the regular 2 Monster Tributes from the field for a LV8, you just discard 1 Spell Card from your hand.

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E-Tele can do the same thing at the same cost. Should we ban that?

 

That's what Summoner Monk does. "Discard 1 Spell Card to turn me into Stardust Dragon' date=' Red Dragon Archfiend, Thought Ruler Archfiend, Dark End Dragon, and anything in between."

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E-Tele can do the same thing at the same cost. Should we ban that?

 

THAT's just an option. The power of having any Level 4 monster you care to add to your Deck instantly out on the field' date=' while also gaining any effects it may have, is ridiculous.

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The summon still comes at the cost of a spell. Also any problem targets would be banned on a good list.

 

You want Phantom of Chaos to quickly access any non-Summon trigger/non-hand or Grave location requirement monster effect you've got in your Grave?

PoC should be banned.

 

You want Diamond Dude for a cloned Spell effect to make up for your discarded Spell' date=' AND the extra field presence of Diamond as a monster?

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You don't always get DiamondDudes effect. The extra field presence can be any monster that point is void.

 

You want Snipe Hunter to roll out and murder a few cards?

Snipe should be banned.

 

You want Rescue Cat for another 2 monsters for even MORE field presence?

The monster you get from the Cat are gone at turns end it's hard to put Cat into just any deck.

 

The field presence alone is ridiculous' date='

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1 monster is ridiculous? What?

 

but also instantly gaining any Level 4 non-Summon trigger/non-hand or Grave location requirement TOO is cheap. Also having the option of Normal Summoning any LV8 Synchro of your choice with the discard of a Spell TOO is cheap (not to mention this can be done AFTER you activate the effect of the LV4 you grabbed).

how is it too cheap? You get a monster for the cost of a spell. Seems like a normal +0 to me.

 

Then as if all that wasn't bad enough' date=' it's also the root of various OTKs (like its easy 1 card DSF OTK),

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The main OTK I know this to be in has Airbellum. That card should be banned.

 

it's CCVable. Not like being CCVable counts for anything since it should be banned too' date=' but assuming we can only get Summoner Monk banned and nothing else.

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If you know CCV should be banned why bring it up?

 

A Monster on the field is more valuable than a Spell in hand' date=' as it generates field presence.

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How is this bad for the game?

 

+0s are good' date=' especially when they cost a card from your hand for a field monster. This's what makes cards like Smashing Ground and Fissure useful as opposed to useless because you're just losing a card for another. This's what makes Raiza and Caius useful. But with Summoner Monk you get any effect from any Level 4 instead of being forced to use a destruction,

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So the only kind of spells are destruction?

 

which can include another Summoner Monk' date=' a quick monster destruction via Exiled Force, AND the fact that you can upgrade Summoner to a Synchro with the discarding of a Spell.

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You make it sound like you can do all that at once. You can only get one Synchro or the other Priest, which can give you another monster but that comes at the cost of another spell. The monster destruction still comes at the cost of Exile, still +0.

 

By discarding a Spell Card' date=' Summoner Monk can generate more field presence,

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How is that bad for the game?

 

AND be able to have a 2/3 chance of destroying a monster with a discard multiple times per tern (Snipe)

Snipe should be banned.

 

activating the effect of another Spell Card to make up for your loss of a Spell Card' date=' rendering your extra field presence free (Diamond Dude),

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That isn't always going to happen.

 

destroy a Spell or Trap (Breaker)

lol

 

get a Hero to your hand' date=' making up for your discard (Stratos),

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Stratos is always a plus one. Using Priest only makes it a bit easier.

 

be able to Special Summon 2 LV3 or lower Beasts (Rescue Cat)' date='

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Only place I can think of this working well is in a deck made for Beasts or in GBs.

 

be able to gain any monster effect in your Graveyard (Phantom of Chaos)' date='

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Ban PoC

 

be able to evolve into a LV8 Synchro of your choice (Hyper Synchron' date=' Rose, etc.), and much more.

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E-Tele

 

It's the options that's the problem. It can provide field presence and gain such a huge magnitude of effects for you it's ridiculous. There're over 1000 LV4 monsters in the TCG. Speaks for itself.

Of those 1000 I''m going to say like 1/2 are random beatsticks and another 1/4 are just crap.

 

Indeed' date=' there ARE other cards which let you Special Summon from the Deck, but they have much more of a Limited range, and usually have conditions which would take them off the field, like with Attribute-based battle searchers. This loses you field presence.

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And costs hand presence.

 

There's E-Tele' date=' but it has a MUCH more restricted range and is limited to 1.

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The targets are good and it shouldn't be at 1.

 

 

There's GK Spy' date=' but then again, a much more restricted range and is often destroyed when its effect activates.

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Who?

[Master Hyperion]

See Konami? This is how you should make your cards.

Randomly splashing this card into any deck is incredibly stupid.

 

Summoner Monk should be banned. It's wrong on so many levels.

 

Prove it.

 

Prove it? Ban List placings are a matter of opinion' date=' these opinions can't be proven facts. They can be agreed upon, but no Ban List placement opinion can be a fact.

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In my opinion, Chaos Emporer Dragon should be unlimited, because it isn't that good. I mean, Chaos Emporer Dragon costs 1000 Life Points and it kills your own cards as well as your own hand, not to mention it kills itself.

 

I know what you're thinking. "Nonono, CED should stay banned, because it has redicilious easy summoning conditions and a too powerfull effect. And it also creates too many lockdowns." So what? It's my opinion. The entire banlist is based on opinions, so I'm right and you're wrong, because it's my opinion and it cannot be proven by facts that CED is broken.

 

On second thought, I think that it is indeed redicilious at 3, so semi-limiting CED would make the game more balanced. Also, limit GB Gyzarus, because it can be countered with Solemn in my opinion.

 

Konami: Holy sheet, you're a genius!!! I'll raise your salery. Thanks for making the game more balanced to play than it already was.

Me: You're welcome.

Konami: GEEEEEENNNNNNNIIIUUUUSSSSS!!!!!111!!!11

[/a normal day at Konami]

[tonisanoob]

this card isnt broken ¬_¬

[Spiff!]

I agree with toni for once.

 

This + Magical Blast.

 

Free monster every turn!

Oh, i pulled an awesome combo with Spell Power Grasp and Summon Priest and Magical Exemplar.

Damn, i can't remember it!