Dark Judgment Dragon Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 Oh wellJust glad you used it well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 The pic is probably the best thing about this card. However, you need a lot of cards to even summon this thing: 3 Polymerizations (Or 1 Fusion Gate), Avian, Burstinatrix, Sparkman, and Bladedge. Before you even say anything, Prisma cannot dump SFW. It has none of SFW's effects, which is a huge let down, and this card's ATK decreases when battling a Defense Position monster, unless you worded the OCG very badly in that sentence. Why don't you make it so that the target loses DEF? You may think having SFW's effects and the ability to decrease the opposing monster's DEF would make it ovepowered, but the summoning conditions actually make this card underpowered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kizzfan911 Posted March 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 The pic is probably the best thing about this card. However' date=' you need a lot of cards to even summon this thing: 3 Polymerizations (Or 1 Fusion Gate), Avian, Burstinatrix, Sparkman, and Bladedge. Before you even say anything, Prisma cannot dump SFW. It has none of SFW's effects, which is a huge let down, and this card's ATK decreases when battling a Defense Position monster, unless you worded the OCG very badly in that sentence. Why don't you make it so that the target loses DEF? You may think having SFW's effects and the ability to decrease the opposing monster's DEF would make it ovepowered, but the summoning conditions actually make this card underpowered.[/quote']There's an update of the card.:?its just a few points down. plus you can use miracle fusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 It's still not better. Well, at least it has one of SFW's effects. It still needs the Burn and Pierce effects. Also, I know you can use Miracle Fusion, but there's still the matter of how SFW would get on the field or in the Graveyard. The only way I can think of is Revoke Fusion, but even then you would have dump SFW, thereby summoning Sparkman, then using Miracle Fusion with Bladege and SFW to summon this card. That would mean it would take at least four cards to summon it: Revoke Fusion, Polymerization (Which has to be discarded for Revoke Fusion to work), Bladedge, which you need either Fake Hero, Prisma, Hero Mask, or two cards to get it. Basically, this card is not worth the amount of effort it takes to summon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kizzfan911 Posted March 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 It's still not better. Well' date=' at least it has one of SFW's effects. It still needs the Burn and Pierce effects. Also, I know you can use Miracle Fusion, but there's still the matter of how SFW would get on the field or in the Graveyard. The only way I can think of is Revoke Fusion, but even then you would have dump SFW, thereby summoning Sparkman, then using Miracle Fusion with Bladege and SFW to summon this card. That would mean it would take at least four cards to summon it: Revoke Fusion, Polymerization (Which has to be discarded for Revoke Fusion to work), Bladedge, which you need either Fake Hero, Prisma, Hero Mask, or two cards to get it. Basically, this card is not worth the amount of effort it takes to summon.[/quote']dude. it's a fake card. take it for what it is, not the cards needed to summon it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 Well, the Fusion Materials do help assess what the card is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kizzfan911 Posted March 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 Well' date=' the Fusion Materials do help assess what the card is.[/quote']Well not all fusions have the same effect as the cards needed to fuse them. That's all i'm saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 Well, I think I said I all needed to with post 29, and the last sentence gave a good enough summary. 5/10. I like the pic and the idea, but it could have been done better. There, you've reduced me to common cliche ratings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostLetter227 Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 This card can only be Special Summoned by Fusion Summon. When this card battles a Defense Position monster, decrease the ATK of this card by 200 for each "Elemental Hero" monster on the field. When this card attacks a monster whose DEF is lower than the ATK of this monster, inflict the difference as Battle Damage to your Oponent's Life Points. Remember to capitalize.For positions, it's DEFENSE. Not DEF. That's only for the stats.Heck, just copy and paste my eratta rather than typing it up yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kizzfan911 Posted March 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 This card can only be Special Summoned by Fusion Summon. When this card battles a Defense Position monster' date=' decrease the ATK of this card by 200 for each "Elemental Hero" [b']monster[/b] on the field. When this card attacks a monster whose DEF is lower than the ATK of this monster, inflict the difference as Battle Damage to your Oponent's Life Points. Remember to capitalize.For positions, it's DEFENSE. Not DEF. That's only for the stats.Heck, just copy and paste my eratta rather than typing it up yourself.There is another version now. You edited the ocg for the original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killey Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Kizzfan911: I think you need to learn how to play Yugioh as well as follow your own advice and "read the damn cards." Every E-Hero fusion monster has the following text in them: "This monster cannot be Special Summoned except by Fusion Summon." Here are multiple examples of E-Hero fusions and how their summoning text are worded:http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Elemental_Hero_Shining_Flare_Wingmanhttp://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Elemental_Hero_Flame_Wingmanhttp://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Elemental_Hero_Mudballmanhttp://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Elemental_Hero_Wildedgehttp://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Elemental_Hero_Rampart_Blaster Notice how EVERY one of those says "This card cannot be Special Summoned except by Fusion Summon" and yours says "This card can only be Special Summoned by Fusion Summon." Here's a detailed explanation of how your summoning conditions and what I've mentioned differ which has been quoted from this. http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Special_Summoning_Conditions "This card can only be Special Summoned by... This places a restriction on how the card must be first Special Summoned. The card cannot be Special Summoned by an external effect until the summoning condition has been properly fulfilled, after which, the monster in question may be summoned like cards such as Monster Reborn. If the card was sent to the Graveyard before being summoned correctly, it cannot be Special Summoned; likewise, if the card was Special Summoned correctly the first time, but is then sent from the field or the Graveyard back to the Deck, the summoning conditions are then reset. These cards are sometimes referred to as Semi-Nomi cards. This card cannot be Special Summoned except by... This is much like the first example, but this time, it allows the card to be Special Summoned by one effect or conditions only, and cannot be Special Summoned by cards such as Monster Reborn. LV Monsters support cards (e.g. Level Modulation) get around this by including the text "ignoring the Summoning conditions" in their card text. However, even with this restriction lifted, such cards can only Special Summon monsters from the Graveyard that have been properly Summoned first. "Level Up!" is able to bypass this completely, since it Special Summons directly from the Deck. These cards are sometimes referred to as Nomi cards. " Now what did I say exactly on the 1st page? Maybe I should have been more specific but it can be SS'd through monster reborn, etc... AFTER it's been successfully special summoned by Fusion Summon. Since you've stated "ONLY" it means that if the monster is destroyed/RFG'd after it was successfully Fusion Summoned through Poly/Future Fusion/Miracle Fusion/etc... it can be Special Summoned by any means because it met the summoning requirements already. So Monster Reborn/Re-Fusion/Return from a Different Dimesion/Escape for the Different Dimension/D.D.R/etc... can SS this monster. and what did you say about all of this? ONLY MEANS ONLY AS IN NO OTHER WAY. ALL THE ELEMENTALS SAY THAT. LOOK AT THE DAMN CARDS. Hmmm.... You also need to learn to take criticism properly and learn how to use the feed back to improve your own cards. Myself and another have already mentioned how this card is hardly that useful due to the amount of cards needed to get this guy out. Furthermore, we've stated flaws and counter strategies to this card making it extremely under whelming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kizzfan911 Posted March 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 ONLY MEANS ONLY AS IN NO OTHER WAY. ALL THE ELEMENTALS SAY THAT. LOOK AT THE DAMN CARDS. I think you need to learn how to play Yugioh as well as follow your own advice and "read the damn cards." Every E-Hero fusion monster has the following text in them: "This monster cannot be Special Summoned except by Fusion Summon." Here are multiple examples of E-Hero fusions and how their summoning text are worded:http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Elemental_Hero_Shining_Flare_Wingmanhttp://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Elemental_Hero_Flame_Wingmanhttp://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Elemental_Hero_Mudballmanhttp://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Elemental_Hero_Wildedgehttp://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Elemental_Hero_Rampart_Blaster Notice how EVERY one of those says "This card cannot be Special Summoned except by Fusion Summon" and yours says "This card can only be Special Summoned by Fusion Summon." Here's a detailed explanation of how your summoning conditions and what I've mentioned differ which has been quoted from this. http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Special_Summoning_Conditions "This card can only be Special Summoned by... This places a restriction on how the card must be first Special Summoned. The card cannot be Special Summoned by an external effect until the summoning condition has been properly fulfilled' date=' after which, the monster in question may be summoned like cards such as Monster Reborn. If the card was sent to the Graveyard before being summoned correctly, it cannot be Special Summoned; likewise, if the card was Special Summoned correctly the first time, but is then sent from the field or the Graveyard back to the Deck, the summoning conditions are then reset. These cards are sometimes referred to as Semi-Nomi cards. This card cannot be Special Summoned except by... This is much like the first example, but this time, it allows the card to be Special Summoned by one effect or conditions only, and cannot be Special Summoned by cards such as Monster Reborn. LV Monsters support cards (e.g. Level Modulation) get around this by including the text "ignoring the Summoning conditions" in their card text. However, even with this restriction lifted, such cards can only Special Summon monsters from the Graveyard that have been properly Summoned first. "Level Up!" is able to bypass this completely, since it Special Summons directly from the Deck. These cards are sometimes referred to as Nomi cards. " Now stop being an idiot.[/quote']You're still here. I'm going to negative rep you if you don't stop bashing my card. secondly,. thats a wiki which means anyone can put anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostLetter227 Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 ONLY MEANS ONLY AS IN NO OTHER WAY. ALL THE ELEMENTALS SAY THAT. LOOK AT THE DAMN CARDS. I think you need to learn how to play Yugioh as well as follow your own advice and "read the damn cards." Every E-Hero fusion monster has the following text in them: "This monster cannot be Special Summoned except by Fusion Summon." Here are multiple examples of E-Hero fusions and how their summoning text are worded:http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Elemental_Hero_Shining_Flare_Wingmanhttp://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Elemental_Hero_Flame_Wingmanhttp://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Elemental_Hero_Mudballmanhttp://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Elemental_Hero_Wildedgehttp://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Elemental_Hero_Rampart_Blaster Notice how EVERY one of those says "This card cannot be Special Summoned except by Fusion Summon" and yours says "This card can only be Special Summoned by Fusion Summon." Here's a detailed explanation of how your summoning conditions and what I've mentioned differ which has been quoted from this. http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Special_Summoning_Conditions "This card can only be Special Summoned by... This places a restriction on how the card must be first Special Summoned. The card cannot be Special Summoned by an external effect until the summoning condition has been properly fulfilled' date=' after which, the monster in question may be summoned like cards such as Monster Reborn. If the card was sent to the Graveyard before being summoned correctly, it cannot be Special Summoned; likewise, if the card was Special Summoned correctly the first time, but is then sent from the field or the Graveyard back to the Deck, the summoning conditions are then reset. These cards are sometimes referred to as Semi-Nomi cards. This card cannot be Special Summoned except by... This is much like the first example, but this time, it allows the card to be Special Summoned by one effect or conditions only, and cannot be Special Summoned by cards such as Monster Reborn. LV Monsters support cards (e.g. Level Modulation) get around this by including the text "ignoring the Summoning conditions" in their card text. However, even with this restriction lifted, such cards can only Special Summon monsters from the Graveyard that have been properly Summoned first. "Level Up!" is able to bypass this completely, since it Special Summons directly from the Deck. These cards are sometimes referred to as Nomi cards. " Now stop being an idiot.[/quote']You're still here. I'm going to negative rep you if you don't stop bashing my card. secondly,. thats a wiki which means anyone can put anything. He's not bashing, he's giving advice. And his advice =/= bashing. Also, you should really look at the real cards. Take your own E-Hero cards, for example. They all say "This card cannot be Special Summoned except by Fusion Summon.". NOT "This card can only be Special Summoned by Fusion Summon" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kizzfan911 Posted March 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 cuti will fix the card later, but he bashed me by calling me a retard. My cousin has downs you @ss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostLetter227 Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 cuti will fix the card later' date=' but he bashed me by calling me a retard. My cousin has downs you @ss[/quote'] Your blasterd response ( not to mention all caps ) was what provoked him. It was definetly ignorant of you. Also, I recommend reading the rules. No Profanity. Do you not have your own E-Hero cards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kizzfan911 Posted March 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 cuti will fix the card later' date=' but he bashed me by calling me a retard. My cousin has downs you @ss[/quote'] Your blasterd response ( not to mention all caps ) was what provoked him. It was definetly ignorant of you. Also, I recommend reading the rules. No Profanity. Do you not have your own E-Hero cards?yes i run an e-hero deck. pluss i didn't use profanity. i put the symbol for the word "at" with two s's after it. what does it matter if it can be summoned with monster reborn. nothing in the rules says that an elemental hero can't be summoned with monster reborn. It's my card. I'll put what I want. Thank you. I'm done with this argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andx Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 The updated is a big improvement. But like the others said I would rather keep Shining Flare wingman and Blade edge. Pic is awsome, I also wonder why anyone has issues with the card since no one really runs elemental heroes, except those who really love 'em. 7.5/10 since most elemental heroes look and generally are awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kizzfan911 Posted March 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 The updated is a big improvement. But like the others said I would rather keep Shining Flare wingman and Blade edge. Pic is awsome' date=' I also wonder why anyone has issues with the card since no one really runs elemental heroes, except those who really love 'em. 7.5/10 since most elemental heroes look and generally are awesome.[/quote']Thanks again for being a person who will accept them for who they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostLetter227 Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 cuti will fix the card later' date=' but he bashed me by calling me a retard. My cousin has downs you @ss[/quote'] Your blasterd response ( not to mention all caps ) was what provoked him. It was definetly ignorant of you. Also, I recommend reading the rules. No Profanity. Do you not have your own E-Hero cards?yes i run an e-hero deck. pluss i didn't use profanity. i put the symbol for the word "at" with two s's after it. what does it matter if it can be summoned with monster reborn. nothing in the rules says that an elemental hero can't be summoned with monster reborn. It's my card. I'll put what I want. Thank you. I'm done with this argument. You call this an argument? It hasn't even reached the climax /joke Sorry, but I hate to break it to you, If a E-Hero fusion can be Special Summoned from the Graveyard, your E-Hero isn't even an E-Hero fusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killey Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 There was nothing really wrong with doing that but it defeats the common traits of the theme. It's like creating a Gladiator Beast that doesn't return itself to the deck after battling to Special Summon a different Gladiator Beast. I simply pointed out something to you in regards to the way you worded your card and you refused to believe the ruling that was mentioned to you. When I clarified myself on the rulings of the wording you still refused to believe me. I gave ample proof of my support and you get offended. Yugioh.wikia.com is one of the more credible places to go for card rulings and their general information on how the game works is taken from rule books and other information that is first hand information to people who know the rulings of the game properly. Stating that anyone can put whatever they want is a weak defense as that information gets checked up on a rather regular basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kizzfan911 Posted March 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 cuti will fix the card later' date=' but he bashed me by calling me a retard. My cousin has downs you @ss[/quote'] Your blasterd response ( not to mention all caps ) was what provoked him. It was definetly ignorant of you. Also, I recommend reading the rules. No Profanity. Do you not have your own E-Hero cards?yes i run an e-hero deck. pluss i didn't use profanity. i put the symbol for the word "at" with two s's after it. what does it matter if it can be summoned with monster reborn. nothing in the rules says that an elemental hero can't be summoned with monster reborn. It's my card. I'll put what I want. Thank you. I'm done with this argument. You call this an argument? It hasn't even reached the climax /joke Sorry' date=' but I hate to break it to you, If a E-Hero fusion can be Special Summoned from the Graveyard, your E-Hero isn't even an E-Hero fusion.[/quote']I've forgiven killey, but i have neg repped you. thank you have a nice day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haitaku Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Nice card, and how is it not an E-Hero? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kizzfan911 Posted March 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 cutthey claim it'snot because of an OCG error. BTW, sorry killey. you were right the whole time about the fusion summon thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murasaki Tsukimaru Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Sounds like an ultimate card for Jaden.Picture: 10/10Effect: 9/10Balance: 10/10Overall: 9.67/10 Very well done. By the way, it is quite irrelevant if your card can be special summoned with Monster Reborn as said card is illegal for official tournaments. If it was a real card anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killey Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Monster Reborn has been limited to 1 per deck about 3 ban lists ago. You people need to get your facts straight before posting. There is relevance to this argument as it determines the usefulness of the created card. People come to the realistic card section to post their cards and be graded accordingly. As such giving a proper rating to a card means actually theorizing how useful it would be in an actual duel. Thus you have to take into consideration how the card interacts with existing cards today both in traditional and advance formats. There are some people who want to their cards to be taken seriously so it's only fair that their card(s) be judged accordingly. Honestly, I think about 80% of the people here look at the name and card image a brief look at the effect and then give 9 out of 10's for the sake of it. 90% of the cards here don't deserve 9/10's yet there is a long list of threads where people do just that and don't even give an explination or a detailed thought process of how the card would work in a duel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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