RED BULL GETS 18 YEARS AGE LIMIT!!??? (°∆°)

[Azuh]

Ha, looks like i have to stock up if this rule hits AUS

[bribri123123]

Is this true? I have never heard ofr that...

[Death Metal]

The reason for this was that parents & teachers had reported that the children had been "speeded" and "totally stoned" during class.

 

Lol.

 

Me thinks they were "Speeded and totally stoned" cause they took those drugs in the men's bathroom.

 

Also...this doesn't apply to the US too does it?

[Amaterasu]

I think this would suck if it spread. I live off of monster and so do most of my friends. I am guaranteed to die without it as I would commit suicide. Isnt it funny that the rule was created to protect lives.

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Energy drinks make me sick.

 

Same happens to my sister but I love them =/

 

And Star' date=' I've drank an entire six pack before so ha (it was at a party though so I did have an outlet for my insane amounts of excess hyperness)

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I love buying the 32 OZ. Monsters in bulk, and just slamming them. Though they do cost a hell of alot -.-"

 

I agree. My friends do that instead of alchohol at times.

[QueenIsAGreatBand]

The reason for this was that parents & teachers had reported that the children had been "speeded" and "totally stoned" during class.

 

Lol.

 

Me thinks they were "Speeded and totally stoned" cause they took those drugs in the men's bathroom.

 

Also...this doesn't apply to the US too does it?

 

Not sure, it's only happened recently in Sweden so far.

[Jericho]

If tobacco products are illegal to sell to minors' date=' then so should energy drinks. They both have the same short term effects.

 

Vice versa.

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Taurine

After caffeine, the most widely used, but perhaps least understood substance in energy drinks is taurine. Taurine is an amino acid that the body replenishes on its own” (Lidz, 2003). It is important in several metabolic processes and may have some anti-oxidant properties (CBC Marketplace, 2005).

 

Caffeine

The primary ingredient of energy drinks is the drug caffeine. Janzen (2008) states: “Caffeine is a stimulant which has been scientifically shown to increase heart rate and blood pressure, thereby increasing alertness and enhancing performance of certain tasks when consumed in small doses.

 

When used in moderation the effects of caffeine are rarely visible. The acceptance and utilization of caffeine in our modern society is commonplace. The majority of caffeine is consumed in the morning via coffee to improve mood and produces no ill effects.

 

Glucuronolacton

Glucuronolactone is a carbohydrate that occurs naturally in the body and like taurine is suspected to detoxify the body (CBC, 2005). Red Bull includes glucuronolactone to increase energy and feelings of well being (Laquale, 2007).

 

Vitamins

An assortment of B vitamins: B2 - riboflavin, B3 – niacin, B6 and B12 are the last ingredients common to the majority of energy drinks.

 

 

Cigarettes on the other hand...

Cigarette smoke contains over 4,000 chemicals, including 43 known cancer-causing (carcinogenic) compounds and 400 other toxins. These include nicotine, tar, and carbon monoxide, as well as formaldehyde, ammonia, hydrogen cyanide, arsenic, and DDT.

 

As a cigarette is smoked, the amount of tar inhaled into the lungs increases, and the last puff contains more than twice as much tar as the first puff. Carbon monoxide makes it harder for red blood cells to carry oxygen throughout the body. Tar is a mixture of substances that together form a sticky mass in the lungs.

 

Just a small list of the thousands of chemicals in a cigarette.

* Fungicides and pesticides -- Cause many types of cancers and birth defects.

* Cadmium -- Linked to lung and prostate cancer.

* Benzene -- Linked to leukemia.

* Formaldehyde -- Linked to lung cancer.

* Nickel -- Causes increased susceptibility to lung infections.

 

 

 

So Willieh, think before you post next time.

[RiffMaster Alex]

Stupid. They have no affect on anyone that I've known. Except being more awake.

[Willieh]

If tobacco products are illegal to sell to minors' date=' then so should energy drinks. They both have the same short term effects.

 

Vice versa.

[/quote']

 

Taurine

After caffeine, the most widely used, but perhaps least understood substance in energy drinks is taurine. Taurine is an amino acid that the body replenishes on its own” (Lidz, 2003). It is important in several metabolic processes and may have some anti-oxidant properties (CBC Marketplace, 2005).

 

Caffeine

The primary ingredient of energy drinks is the drug caffeine. Janzen (2008) states: “Caffeine is a stimulant which has been scientifically shown to increase heart rate and blood pressure, thereby increasing alertness and enhancing performance of certain tasks when consumed in small doses.

 

When used in moderation the effects of caffeine are rarely visible. The acceptance and utilization of caffeine in our modern society is commonplace. The majority of caffeine is consumed in the morning via coffee to improve mood and produces no ill effects.

 

Glucuronolacton

Glucuronolactone is a carbohydrate that occurs naturally in the body and like taurine is suspected to detoxify the body (CBC, 2005). Red Bull includes glucuronolactone to increase energy and feelings of well being (Laquale, 2007).

 

Vitamins

An assortment of B vitamins: B2 - riboflavin, B3 – niacin, B6 and B12 are the last ingredients common to the majority of energy drinks.

 

 

Cigarettes on the other hand...

Cigarette smoke contains over 4,000 chemicals, including 43 known cancer-causing (carcinogenic) compounds and 400 other toxins. These include nicotine, tar, and carbon monoxide, as well as formaldehyde, ammonia, hydrogen cyanide, arsenic, and DDT.

 

As a cigarette is smoked, the amount of tar inhaled into the lungs increases, and the last puff contains more than twice as much tar as the first puff. Carbon monoxide makes it harder for red blood cells to carry oxygen throughout the body. Tar is a mixture of substances that together form a sticky mass in the lungs.

 

Just a small list of the thousands of chemicals in a cigarette.

* Fungicides and pesticides -- Cause many types of cancers and birth defects.

* Cadmium -- Linked to lung and prostate cancer.

* Benzene -- Linked to leukemia.

* Formaldehyde -- Linked to lung cancer.

* Nickel -- Causes increased susceptibility to lung infections.

 

 

 

So Willieh, think before you post next time.

 

There was initially more thought in my post than yours. You immediately jumped to the harm that cigarettes can cause you.

 

When dealing with health effects, does it really matter what you're comparing it to?

 

How about this one; Who cares if the government is spending billions to bail out big business? The NASA program spends millions to billions on sending sheet to space, which inevitably is a pure waste of money.

 

Look, all I'm saying is that using these drinks isn't healthy. They wouldn't recommend that minors don't drink it if it wasn't unhealthy. It can cause all kinds of disgusting sheet to happen to you. Most frequently heart attack. Which, normally, kills you faster and more spontaneously than smoking cigarettes.

 

If you want to make something that gives people an energy rush; just make ecstasy legal. Ecstasy actually has no effect on the person other than the energy rush, if used in moderation.

 

Copious amounts eat holes in your brains, but it's not like they couldn't make a warning label.

 

 

But of course you would defend energy drinks. You probably aren't 18, and you probably drink them.

 

Just as I would defend cigarettes.

 

Touche'

[Jericho]

I'm 15 and I very rarely drink energy drinks. You said it has the same short term effect as tobacco. I proved you wrong. NASA is not a program, but an agency, though I do agree that sending stuff into space is useless. The heart attacks you alluded to are caused when extremely excessive ammounts of energy drinks are consumed. Making E legal makes no sense at all. [spoiler=A short list on the effects of ecstasy]Elevated systolic/diastolic blood pressure Increased energy level

 

Muscle hypertonicity Heightened sensory perception

 

Elevated heart rate Desire to be in constant motion

 

Jaw clenching Appetite suppression

 

Transient nausea High level of stimulation

 

Insomnia

 

Dehydration

 

Hot/Cold flashes

 

Nystagmus

 

Poor concentration Euphoria

 

Anxiety/Restlessness Elevated self-esteem

 

Visual hallucinations Closeness to others/Empathy

 

Fear of loss of control Talkativeness

 

Paranoia Overall sense of well being

 

Accepting

 

Greater self-insight

 

Heightened sensuality

 

 

 

When dealing with health effects, does it really matter what you're comparing it to?

Yes, very much so when comparing it to E.

[Willieh]

I'm 15 and I very rarely drink energy drinks. You said it has the same short term effect as tobacco. I proved you wrong. NASA is not a program' date=' but an agency, though I do agree that sending stuff into space is useless. The heart attacks you alluded to are caused when extremely excessive ammounts of energy drinks are consumed. Making E legal makes no sense at all. [spoiler=A short list on the effects of ecstasy']Elevated systolic/diastolic blood pressure Increased energy level

 

Muscle hypertonicity Heightened sensory perception

 

Elevated heart rate Desire to be in constant motion

 

Jaw clenching Appetite suppression

 

Transient nausea High level of stimulation

 

Insomnia

 

Dehydration

 

Hot/Cold flashes

 

Nystagmus

 

Poor concentration Euphoria

 

Anxiety/Restlessness Elevated self-esteem

 

Visual hallucinations Closeness to others/Empathy

 

Fear of loss of control Talkativeness

 

Paranoia Overall sense of well being

 

Accepting

 

Greater self-insight

 

Heightened sensuality

 

 

 

When dealing with health effects, does it really matter what you're comparing it to?

Yes, very much so when comparing it to E.

Ecstasy isn't nearly as dangerous in moderation as the garbage people consume in our society.

 

Ecstasy won't kill you as fast as obesity and heart pressure increase.

 

And it won't kill you period if you do it in moderation. I've actually studied and experienced these things. I've seen entire specials on Ecstasy.

 

Ecstasy isn't dangerous if you have any funking sense.

 

And besides, the list is bullshit. It is. It's bullshit.

 

Truthfully, the evidence that previous scientists have gathered about the drug is actually flawed. Newer scientists are actually finding that it's side affects are not lethal, unless you take it in copious amounts. Of course government funded programs are going to tell you that it's dangerous no matter what. It's scare-tactics. They figure that as long as you think it's dangerous you won't do it.

 

And I'd like to point out a few of these "horrible" side effects you listed:

 

"Elevated self-esteem"

"Empathy"

"Greater Self-insight"

"Accepting"

"Apetite Suppression"

 

So, you'll be awake, full of your self, understanding of other's emotions, and you won't be hungry.

 

Where is god? :?

 

Oh yeah:

 

And, regardless of how dangerous ecstasy is, the energy drinks are still not good for you. Sadly, I must say, health affects due to illegal drugs and tobacco products are irrelevant. If energy drinks are honestly dangerous, then they should require a certain age to consume. If you are an advocate of the non-smoking progression, then surely you would agree that giving minors things that are harmful to their health isn't good. Right?

[Jericho]

And I'd like to point out a few of these "horrible" side effects you listed:

 

"Elevated self-esteem"

"Empathy"

"Greater Self-insight"

"Accepting"

"Apetite Suppression"

I didn't say they were all negative effects.

 

...the energy drinks are still not good for you

Well neither is ice cream. Are you proposing that we outlaw ice cream to everyone under 18?

 

If you are an advocate of the non-smoking progression, then surely you would agree that giving minors things that are harmful to their health isn't good. Right?

Who said I was an advocate of the non-smoking progression? I surely didn't. I was giving facts. Heck, I enjoy a puff every once in a while.

[Willieh]

...the energy drinks are still not good for you

Well neither is ice cream. Are you proposing that we outlaw ice cream to everyone under 18?

 

How is ice cream bad for you?

[Jericho]

Empy calories and sugar. Short term effects may include brain freeze. Long term effects may include stroke, heart failure, diabetes, and obesity.

[Willieh]

Empy calories and sugar. Short term effects may include brain freeze. Long term effects may include stroke' date=' heart failure, diabetes, and obesity.

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Brain Freeze is not harmful.

 

Stroke, heart failure, diabetes, and obesity (if I may point out) is not a long term effect of ice cream. It would be a long term effect of eating ice cream with no temperance.

[Jericho]

Just like the side effects of energy drinks, and any substance, legal or nonlegal, really. But not everybody expresses temperance.

[Amethyst Phoenix]

I find it funny that instead of just banning the leading cause of death, they make people wait 18 years before they can proceed to ravage their lungs (mmmm, fiber glass shards are yummy aren't they?) and piss nearby people off with the disgusting smoke.

 

Did you know that taurine is in cat food? Cat's need lots of taurine or their eyes will start to deteriorate. Maybe that explains why they're so damn hyper... (stupid joke, I know the taurine isn't entirely what gives you the huge boost).

 

And we can debate how things compare, and try to say one thing is on the same level as something else because of some little similarities. We can use this course of action to attack things or defend things. Or we could skip all that, because no matter how similar drugs are to energy drinks, the bottomline is they f***ing kill you (or just mess you up if you quit early enough).

 

For example:

Banana's possess surprising amounts of energy that give you a quick, lasting boost. Therefore, we should put an age limit on bananas, because they have the same effect as cigarettes. On the other side of the argument going on here, we should remove the age limit on cigarettes because they give an energy boost thats similar to bananas but not as long. Therefore, bananas are more potent than cigarettes and, because bananas are eaten by small children with no negative effects, smoking should have no age limit.

 

^ This topic's reasoning is f***ing rocket science huh?

[Willieh]

Just like the side effects of energy drinks' date=' and any substance, legal or nonlegal, really. But not everybody expresses temperance.

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Yes.

 

But the difference is, Energy drinks have more short-term and long-term effects, even if you are conscious of how much you consume.

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And we can debate how things compare' date=' and try to say one thing is on the same level as something else because of some little similarities. We can use this course of action to attack things or defend things. Or we could skip all that, because no matter how similar drugs are to energy drinks, the bottomline is they f***ing kill you (or just mess you up if you quit early enough).

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This is the precise point I've been trying to stress.

[Yasu]

I dun liek them >=(

too much sugar...

I preffer drugs fruits :D

[∮.Ғσяgσттeи.SσℓÐιєя.∮]

This is 100% crap.

Basically.

[Azmodius]

This is madness, this is sweden!

 

Oh, yay not is teh states cuz i love that stuff.

 

like 2 cans per day.

[Guest Supreme Gamesmaster]

I find it funny that instead of just banning the leading cause of death' date=' they make people wait 18 years before they can proceed to ravage their lungs (mmmm, fiber glass shards are yummy aren't they?) and piss nearby people off with the disgusting smoke.

 

Did you know that taurine is in cat food? Cat's need lots of taurine or their eyes will start to deteriorate. Maybe that explains why they're so damn hyper... (stupid joke, I know the taurine isn't entirely what gives you the huge boost).

 

And we can debate how things compare, and try to say one thing is on the same level as something else because of some little similarities. We can use this course of action to attack things or defend things. Or we could skip all that, because no matter how similar drugs are to energy drinks, the bottomline is they f***ing kill you (or just mess you up if you quit early enough).

[/quote']

The profit earned by big tobacco, combined with the cost of naturally obligatory withdrawal counseling, makes this economically impossible. Also: Prohibition says hi.\

 

However, you and Willieh are still win.

 

 

OP: Energy drinks? That's going a bit far. Caffeine is the only drug I can think of they'd install.

 

But this is a single store's policy, so it's hardly worthy of an additional page of discussion.

[QueenIsAGreatBand]

I find it funny that instead of just banning the leading cause of death' date=' they make people wait 18 years before they can proceed to ravage their lungs (mmmm, fiber glass shards are yummy aren't they?) and piss nearby people off with the disgusting smoke.

 

Did you know that taurine is in cat food? Cat's need lots of taurine or their eyes will start to deteriorate. Maybe that explains why they're so damn hyper... (stupid joke, I know the taurine isn't entirely what gives you the huge boost).

 

And we can debate how things compare, and try to say one thing is on the same level as something else because of some little similarities. We can use this course of action to attack things or defend things. Or we could skip all that, because no matter how similar drugs are to energy drinks, the bottomline is they f***ing kill you (or just mess you up if you quit early enough).

[/quote']

The profit earned by big tobacco, combined with the cost of naturally obligatory withdrawal counseling, makes this economically impossible. Also: Prohibition says hi.\

 

However, you and Willieh are still win.

 

 

OP: Energy drinks? That's going a bit far. Caffeine is the only drug I can think of they'd install.

 

But this is a single store's policy, so it's hardly worthy of an additional page of discussion.

 

Yeah, it might sound puny, but this is the biggest chain store in Sweden (ICA). I'm just afraid that this madness will spread to all ICA stores in Sweden. But if you live outside Sweden you won't need to worry. :)

[Lord Smeagle]

Too much of anything can kill you. It's perfectly possible to overdose on caffeine. I recall a friend of mine drinking three cans of the "Superman" energy drink, and it really messed him up.

 

Fact is, if it's abusable, idiots will abuse it. You might as well ban oxygen, for God's sake.

[Çå®∂îñål]

wow us young people need our instant energy bursts

[Dark]

Screw the rules, I have parental guidance. ^_^

 

My parents acknowledge that I drink Red Bull, it's actually very good (not good for you). They'll buy it for me and I'll drink it, just like I do for alcohol... water. -_-''