Death12328 Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 School doesn't teach the other half of the symbol that Hitler used for his flag. I was wearing a swastika necklace that was flat not slanted, teachers try to bust me but couldn't because I had a great detail in knowledge about this symbol... The swastika is an ancient religious symbol dating back 3000 years. Many historians believe it was initially a fire and sun symbol occurring in Asia and later among some Germanic tribes. Up until the 20th century, it evolved as a highly auspicious talisman, evoking thoughts of reverence, good fortune, and well being. In the Buddhist tradition of India, it is referred to as "The Seal on Buddha's Heart". In Japanese and Chinese Buddhism, a swastika often appears on the chest of past and modern images of Gautama Buddha; however, due to the continued consternation of Western tourists, many modern Asian artists have chosen to eliminate it as one of the 32 signs of a supreme being. The debate as to whether this ancient religious symbol can be restored to its rightful place in history tirelessly continues. How such an auspicious and truly noble symbol came to represent tyrannical oppression and racial genocide is perhaps one of the greatest paradoxes of world history. There are various sites on the Internet that claim to be friends of the swastika. Although I sympathize with their research and points of view, I have often sent their webmasters email challenging them to give up the fight, and to find another auspicious symbol to rally around. The swastika, regardless of its various forms and presentations, has in modern times come to be known as a symbol of Nazi Germany and its heinous crimes against humanity despite highly convincing arguments to the contrary from Buddhist and other religious camps. This once auspicious symbol now, and perhaps forever, will represent racism and white supremacy. To think that it could ever be restored as a benevolent charm here in the West is a pipe dream; however, that it persists to surface in Asian artists' iconography, suggests Holocaust sympathizers may not be convincing everyone around the world that it should be forever laid to rest just because it was desecrated by Adolf Hitler and his deranged followers. Yes, the swastika still continues to be an extensively used auspicious sign in Buddhism, Jainism, and Hinduism. Obviously, this controversial symbol does not evoke the same negative connotations in India and Asia as it apparently does for us here in the Western world. Eastern culture is definitely not Western culture, and what exactly makes people in the Western world feel that people in the Eastern world should follow their dictates anyway? Could it be engrained feelings of cultural and racial superiority? Did you know that in Buddhist tradition the swastika originally symbolized the footsteps of the Buddha? It was also used to mark the beginnings of sacred texts, especially those texts presenting the wise sayings and moral observations of Shakyamuni himself. With the subsequent spreading of Buddhism into Asia, the swastika passed into the iconography of China and Japan where it has been used to denote purity, fertility, abundance, prosperity and long life. To Hindus, the swastika with the arms bent to the left is called the sathio or sauvastika, and symbolizes night, magic, purity, and the destructive goddess Kali. Perhaps this destructive goddess played upon the tormented minds of anti-Semites in Germany, although true hatemongers need very little encouragement from mythical deities. In both Hinduism and Jainism, the swastika or sathio is also used to mark the opening pages of sacred texts. In my fairly recent travels in Korea, I have found the swastika displayed above the entrances to Buddhist temples. Some of the world's most ancient swastikas have been discovered in Persia (Iran), Pakistan and Mesopotamia by previous world travellers. Ancient swastikas have even been found on and in the ruins of ancient Jewish synagogues. When studying the origins and religious uses of the swastika, irony stubbornly persists in playing a paramount role ...Hitler's Christianity The swastika was most likely an ancient symbol of the Aryans, a race of people who supposedly settled in Iran and Northern India, and who also believed themselves to be of pure or "noble" blood. German racists fervently believed the true German people to be of such noble ancestry, and successfully adopted the symbol as their own. In 1910, the German poet and nationalist, Guido von List, suggested that the swastika be used as a symbol for all anti-racial organizations. German Jews were simply not regarded as being "pure" or "Aryan" by German racists, and when the National Socialist Party was formed in 1919, the once hallowed symbol became its badge and emblem. By 1935, the black swastika on a white circle with a crimson background became the national symbol of Germany. The main difference between the Nazi swastika and the ancient auspicious symbol of various religious cultures, is that the Nazi swastika is at a slant, while the ancient swastika is rested flat. Apparently, this subtle variation in visual presentation is not enough to win over those who would toss the once-holy symbol into the garbage bin of history. What would the historical Buddha say about this? Would he say, that the preservation of the original and intended meaning attached to the symbol is far more important than the preservation of the symbol itself? And if we are to toss the swastika into the garbage bin of history, should we not also consider tossing other desecrated religious symbols into it as well? What about the Christian cross? How many historical atrocities against innocent people have been committed in the name of the Christian church? Has not the Christian cross been used symbolically to persecute non-believers? How far should we go? I mean, did not the German Catholic church aid and abet the rise of the Nazis, and eagerly help to promote Adolf Hitler as the highly-awaited messiah of the German people? Perhaps the Christian cross should be scrapped too! Does this sound absurd to you? I suppose it all comes down to what you have been taught by your wise masters who continue to "lord" it over you. Nothing but the truth will set us free. Sanctify yourself ... 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Poc Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 Umm, do you expect ANYONE to read that whole thing? Get rid of the wall of text and sum up your point in a simple paragraph, no one wants to read copied and pasted stuff from wikipedia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death12328 Posted September 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 didn't copy it from wiki my freind and no I won't tear down a single letter since if I told you in one sentence their would be a giant uneducated argument. Besides history repeats, if we do not learn then everything will be ever lasting history of mere war, heck we might as well have a WWV (World War 5) if we don't grab hold of any knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 i know what you mean, death. everyone always associates the swastika with evil. its pretty much the opposite. if Hitler hadnt used it as his own, nobody would care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Instinct Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 i think i might've learned this in some class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death12328 Posted September 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 Its sad to see a Holy Symbol only be seen as a symbol of racism and killing. EDIT:Good to see at least some knowledge is taught about the properties of it that aren't war associated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 exactly. its like how when i say Hitler was intelligent, people immediately think i'm a nazi. thats just not true. he was a very good leader and was very intelligent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death12328 Posted September 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 What he did was unforgivable to people around him but how true. Heck my cousins family's last name was originally a German name in which the ancestors were part of the holocaust but my cousins aren't evil hell raisers, heck they are like my best friends that I could ask for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NP Sage Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 you can't disscuss hither period. here where i live anywayand your right hitler was smart just a bit...um control freakish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 oh, one time, i drew a Pentagram on my homework, and my teacher got really mad at me, because he thought it was a symbol of Devil worship. wrong. its a symbol of GODDESS worship. very different. it symbolizes the divine proportion, 1.618, and the perfection of the female. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death12328 Posted September 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 Yea control freakish but he was only this "Evil Monster" since his step father had whipped him several times with a bo-whip I only know the pentagram that represents Heaven and Hell, though cool never knew it represented goddess worship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 read the Da Vinci code xD but yeah, thats all true what i said. http://www.championtrees.org/yarrow/phi/phi2.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death12328 Posted September 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 Cool cool, thanks HORUS. My biological dad (the one who has been teaching me about art) taught me about the swastika recently this summer since well at the end of the year since my English class was studying about the holocaust, no one then taught me more behind the symbol swastika only that it was evil and same with Hitler (Which I think can be blamed on his child hood since his mother was kind to him, his mother died and his step father made him racist since the step father was also racist and severely beat Adolf). I have german blood in me which was bad to say around others apparently since I always got asked each day if I was a Nazi even by the people I told I wasn't, heck I don't know anyone in my family that is German (besides my parents). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ben68 Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 [sniffs] That was beautiful...I'm a bit of a history buff and love me some WWII history and facts... I've always wondered where the swastika came from (I knew it came from a religion but what religion I knew not). I applaud thee for writing all of that. Also, NO teacher is allowed to even attempt to take away ANY religious symbol or piece (unless it is a private school that is devoted to a religion). It goes against keeping church and state separate. I hope to read more from you if you decide to post it. Also, where did you find your facts for this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death12328 Posted September 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 Glad you asked where it was I gained this info though its kind of weird, I was browsing deviant art for things on Tiki God and found this inked out picture of Ace (Luffy's Brother) with a swastika on his back, the maker of the image also supplied this link to know further about the swastika Link to the picture: http://ru-debega.deviantart.com/art/Ace-at-a-Tiki-Bar-6703825 Link to more info on swastika: http://members.porchlight.ca/blackdog/swastika.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NP Sage Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 [sniffs] That was beautiful...I'm a bit of a history buff and love me some WWII history and facts... I've always wondered where the swastika came from (I knew it came from a religion but what religion I knew not). I applaud thee for writing all of that. Also' date=' NO teacher is allowed to even attempt to take away ANY religious symbol or piece (unless it is a private school that is devoted to a religion). It goes against keeping church and state separate. I hope to read more from you if you decide to post it. Also, where did you find your facts for this?[/quote'] They can remove anything that would cause a disruption to the abilities of the students to learn.Other wise we would have morons yelling when evolution came up just to raise hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 i'm half German, half Polish. i speak a lot of German. its cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NP Sage Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 half irish-half something Frankly once i'm 18 I'm slashing all ties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death12328 Posted September 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 Mostly Norwegian, much German and other small parts like Scottish, French. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ben68 Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 [sniffs] That was beautiful...I'm a bit of a history buff and love me some WWII history and facts... I've always wondered where the swastika came from (I knew it came from a religion but what religion I knew not). I applaud thee for writing all of that. Also' date=' NO teacher is allowed to even attempt to take away ANY religious symbol or piece (unless it is a private school that is devoted to a religion). It goes against keeping church and state separate. I hope to read more from you if you decide to post it. Also, where did you find your facts for this?[/quote'] They can remove anything that would cause a disruption to the abilities of the students to learn.Other wise we would have morons yelling when evolution came up just to raise hell. ACTUALLY they can't really do ANYTHING about it. Just so you know or else I could complain that the Jewish kids hat (yamaka, I know) is burning my eyes...nothing will really be done...and nothing really should be done. People need to STOP being offending by EVERYTHING that comes there way. Personally I'm tired of it. If something offends you, then suck it up...don't be a whiny (I'll avoid using curses) and keep on going in life. But if his necklace (which can EASILY be concealed) was causing ANYBODY from NOT being able to learn is pathetic. The kid complaining should be removed NOT Death12328. Also, what moron would start yelling random stuff about evolution just to raise hell? Evolution isn't part of a religion (unless you count atheism or scientology). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NP Sage Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 I was just saying that they could if they wanted to. Jeez dude chill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ben68 Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 I was just saying that they could if they wanted to. Jeez dude chill. I'm just proving my point, there is nothing against you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death12328 Posted September 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 It was my science teacher who was offended, no kid, as well I was wearing it without regret that I know I could be punished for something like that (Since some of the school's staff remind me of some classmates, not as smart) This is what I placing in my signature:Der Kampf für das whats Recht, an das Sie glauben und niemanden lassen, nimmt das von Ihnen für seine Ihre Ideale weg. TRANSLATION:Fight for whats right that you believe in and don't let anyone take that away from you for its your ideals.-----------------------------------------Also I don't care if my bones should be broke for my ideals, I will guard my ideals to my grave if it should come to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NP Sage Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 [sniffs] That was beautiful...I'm a bit of a history buff and love me some WWII history and facts... I've always wondered where the swastika came from (I knew it came from a religion but what religion I knew not). I applaud thee for writing all of that. Also' date=' NO teacher is allowed to even attempt to take away ANY religious symbol or piece (unless it is a private school that is devoted to a religion). It goes against keeping church and state separate. I hope to read more from you if you decide to post it. Also, where did you find your facts for this?[/quote'] They can remove anything that would cause a disruption to the abilities of the students to learn.Other wise we would have morons yelling when evolution came up just to raise hell. ACTUALLY they can't really do ANYTHING about it. Just so you know or else I could complain that the Jewish kids hat (yamaka, I know) is burning my eyes...nothing will really be done...and nothing really should be done. People need to STOP being offending by EVERYTHING that comes there way. Personally I'm tired of it. If something offends you, then suck it up...don't be a whiny (I'll avoid using curses) and keep on going in life. But if his necklace (which can EASILY be concealed) was causing ANYBODY from NOT being able to learn is pathetic. The kid complaining should be removed NOT Death12328. Also, what moron would start yelling random stuff about evolution just to raise hell? Evolution isn't part of a religion (unless you count atheism or scientology). They would raise hell just because they can. Ever heard of a law suit for pants? and they can make you take it off or remove it or you. Its the power given to them. Other wise we would have people dressing up like demons and wearing swastikas and pentagrams intending to represent Saten and the murders of thousands of jews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ben68 Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 It was my science teacher who was offended' date=' no kid, as well I was wearing it without regret that I know I could be punished for something like that (Since some of the school's staff remind me of some classmates, not as smart) This is what I placing in my signature:Der Kampf für das whats Recht, an das Sie glauben und niemanden lassen, nimmt das von Ihnen für seine Ihre Ideale weg. TRANSLATION:Fight for whats right that you believe in and don't let anyone take that away from you for its your ideals.-----------------------------------------Also I don't care if my bones should be broke for my ideals, I will guard my ideals to my grave if it should come to that.[/quote'] Interesting, mind if I place it in my own as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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