Puppet King: Discussion

[tonisanoob]

why use this?

[CrabHelmet]

Does this work with Compulsory?

 

Yes, in the sense that a -1 that replaces a good card like Compulsory with a useless card like this one and informs your opponent that you are holding a card whose sole strength is the element of surprise can be considered a move that works.

[Flame Dragon]

To dependent on your opponent to by any good. This is only made worse by the fact that this is gone when you end your turn.

[Sleepy]

it actually depends, if you summon it during your turn its gone during your next End Phase. If you Summon it during your opponent's turn, its gone during your End Phase.

 

If I saw this in the realistic card section, I would have suggested something like:

 

Puppet King:

EARTH/ Level 8/ ATK 2800 DEF 2600/ [ Warrior / Effect ]

If your opponent adds a Card(s) to their hand, except by drawing, you can Special Summon this card from your hand. If you do, the card(s) added to your opponent's hand are sent to the Graveyard.

 

=/

 

still as it is it might has its use (I'm not sure what it might be.. but there must be something)

[CrabHelmet]

it actually depends' date=' if you summon it during your turn its gone during your [b']next[/b] End Phase. If you Summon it during your opponent's turn, its gone during your End Phase.

 

I Summon this during my Main Phase. My next End Phase is during this turn.

[Sleepy]

it actually depends' date=' if you summon it during your turn its gone during your [b']next[/b] End Phase. If you Summon it during your opponent's turn, its gone during your End Phase.

 

I Summon this during my Main Phase. My next End Phase is during this turn.

 

ups.. I keep missing details in my comments... this card shouldn't have the "destroy it during the End Phase" part.

[Guest Star]

it actually depends' date=' if you summon it during your turn its gone during your [b']next[/b] End Phase. If you Summon it during your opponent's turn, its gone during your End Phase.

 

I Summon this during my Main Phase. My next End Phase is during this turn.

 

True, but it says "...during your next turn's End Phase.".

[CrabHelmet]

it actually depends' date=' if you summon it during your turn its gone during your [b']next[/b] End Phase. If you Summon it during your opponent's turn, its gone during your End Phase.

 

I Summon this during my Main Phase. My next End Phase is during this turn.

 

True, but it says "...during your next turn's End Phase.".

 

Oh, that's the wording. Well, in that case, sure.

 

Of course, you aren't all that likely to use this during your own turn anyhow.

[Guest Star]

it actually depends' date=' if you summon it during your turn its gone during your [b']next[/b] End Phase. If you Summon it during your opponent's turn, its gone during your End Phase.

 

I Summon this during my Main Phase. My next End Phase is during this turn.

 

True, but it says "...during your next turn's End Phase.".

 

Oh, that's the wording. Well, in that case, sure.

 

Of course, you aren't all that likely to use this during your own turn anyhow.

 

Well if you destroy an opponent's Sangan or Violet Witch, you could use it.

[MarbleZone]

What you just wrote goes to show how situational it is; Sangan is Limited and not ran in every deck, whereas Violet Witch is only ran in Plants. Most of the time, you will be getting its effect on your opponent's turn.

 

Not only that... the fact it can still be Normal or Special Summoned by conventional means isn't such a big bonus; like many people said, it's not likely for you to pull the effect off consistently, and in that case you pretty much have a Level 7 Metal Armored Bug stuck in your hand.

[Logmon1]

There are much better ways of Special Summoning beatsticks. It doesn't help that this can only come out in response to a specific action of the opponent (so if your opponent doesn't draw' date=' say, Charge, you've got a dead card), that that action will almost [i']always[/i] occur exclusively during your opponent's Main Phase 1, and that this self-destructs after only one turn.

 

What do you mean "only"?

 

You can still normal and special summon it by any other means you see fit.

 

And it only self destructs when summoned by that one effect, and not until your end-phase!

 

This card seems amazingly great. a free 2800 ATK beatstick for a only slightly rare event, or a not-so-free one any time you want.

 

It is anti-Gadgets, in a sense, and with Skill Drain or Prohibited Chalice, this card loses the destruction effect (unless Chalice misses the timing) and becomes an instant-summon beatstick to run over you opponent without any drawbacks.

 

It is an awesome card. [/thread]

[CrabHelmet]

There are much better ways of Special Summoning beatsticks. It doesn't help that this can only come out in response to a specific action of the opponent (so if your opponent doesn't draw' date=' say, Charge, you've got a dead card), that that action will almost [i']always[/i] occur exclusively during your opponent's Main Phase 1, and that this self-destructs after only one turn.

 

What do you mean "only"?

 

You can still normal and special summon it by any other means you see fit.

 

Which would make it inferior in every way to Blue-Eyes White Dragon.

 

And that's terrible.

 

And it only self destructs when summoned by that one effect' date='

[/quote']

 

Blue-Eyes White Dragon.

 

and not until your end-phase!

 

Indeed' date=' your opponent will probably have killed it by then anyhow.

 

This card seems amazingly great.

 

To you.

 

Then again, you're you, which nullifies that.

 

a free 2800 ATK beatstick

 

It's not "free". You lose a card from your hand - namely' date=' this card. You also sacrifice consistency by risking dead draws.

 

for a only slightly rare event,

 

More rare than you'd think. How many cards that allow this to Special Summon itself do you think a random opponent's deck is likely to run? Now, of those, how many do you think won't be fetching a card like Judgment Dragoon that can completely crush this card? Perhaps three, if you're lucky? Lightlords would certainly only have three such cards: the Charges. And of those, how many will not activate during your opponent's Main Phase 1, giving them all the time in the world to destroy this before you can even make use of its beatstick power?

 

or a not-so-free one any time you want.

 

Wow' date=' you make Blue-Eyes White Dragon sound like pro tech.

 

It is anti-Gadgets, in a sense,

 

Siding against Gadgets is the only way this card would be at all useful, but even then there are better options. Besides, it comes out in your opponent's Main Phase 1, and we all know that Gadgets aren't exactly lacking in the removal department.

 

and with Skill Drain

 

Which negates Gadgets' date=' thus defeating the purpose of using this card in the first place.

 

or Prohibited Chalice,

 

You'd waste Prohibited Chalice keeping a vanilla beatstick on the field instead of negating the opponent's effects?

 

Actually, if I recall correctly, you were one of the idiots who wanted to use it as an inferior Rush Recklessly in Normal Monster decks, so yes, you would. A better question is whether anyone with any sense would do it.

 

this card loses the destruction effect

 

Assuming that it hasn't already been destroyed. Which it probably has.

 

(unless Chalice misses the timing)

 

The mark of an idiot attempting to sound intelligent is that he tosses around phrases that he knows other people use but doesn't understand at all.

 

Missing the Timing has nothing to do with this. Stupid rookie.

 

and becomes an instant-summon beatstick

 

The word "instant" implies that it pops out the moment you need it whenever you need it. It does not imply that it pops out when your opponent decides to permit it during a Phase in which you can't even use it.

 

to run over you opponent

 

It's not going to be running over anything during their turn.

 

without any drawbacks.

 

"Without any drawbacks" is a highly misleading phrase. Blue-Eyes White Dragon and Celtic Guardian could be said to be "without any drawbacks".

 

Of course' date=' no matter what your definition of "drawback" is, this card does have a "drawback" - the self-destruct effect.

 

It is an awesome card. [/thread]

 

Protip: [/thread] should be used once a definitive statement has been made that completely sums up all aspects of a card, leaving nothing more that can possibly be said. Therefore, you should never use [/thread], because you're too dumb to ever accomplish this feat.

[The Crimson King]

There are much better ways of Special Summoning beatsticks. It doesn't help that this can only come out in response to a specific action of the opponent (so if your opponent doesn't draw' date=' say, Charge, you've got a dead card), that that action will almost [i']always[/i] occur exclusively during your opponent's Main Phase 1, and that this self-destructs after only one turn.

 

What do you mean "only"?

 

You can still normal and special summon it by any other means you see fit.

 

Which would make it inferior in every way to Blue-Eyes White Dragon.

 

And that's terrible.

 

And it only self destructs when summoned by that one effect' date='

[/quote']

 

Blue-Eyes White Dragon.

 

and not until your end-phase!

 

Indeed' date=' your opponent will probably have killed it by then anyhow.

 

This card seems amazingly great.

 

To you.

 

Then again, you're you, which nullifies that.

 

a free 2800 ATK beatstick

 

It's not "free". You lose a card from your hand - namely' date=' this card. You also sacrifice consistency by risking dead draws.

 

for a only slightly rare event,

 

More rare than you'd think. How many cards that allow this to Special Summon itself do you think a random opponent's deck is likely to run? Now, of those, how many do you think won't be fetching a card like Judgment Dragoon that can completely crush this card? Perhaps three, if you're lucky? Lightlords would certainly only have three such cards: the Charges. And of those, how many will not activate during your opponent's Main Phase 1, giving them all the time in the world to destroy this before you can even make use of its beatstick power?

 

or a not-so-free one any time you want.

 

Wow' date=' you make Blue-Eyes White Dragon sound like pro tech.

 

It is anti-Gadgets, in a sense,

 

Siding against Gadgets is the only way this card would be at all useful, but even then there are better options. Besides, it comes out in your opponent's Main Phase 1, and we all know that Gadgets aren't exactly lacking in the removal department.

 

and with Skill Drain

 

Which negates Gadgets' date=' thus defeating the purpose of using this card in the first place.

 

or Prohibited Chalice,

 

You'd waste Prohibited Chalice keeping a vanilla beatstick on the field instead of negating the opponent's effects?

 

Actually, if I recall correctly, you were one of the idiots who wanted to use it as an inferior Rush Recklessly in Normal Monster decks, so yes, you would. A better question is whether anyone with any sense would do it.

 

this card loses the destruction effect

 

Assuming that it hasn't already been destroyed. Which it probably has.

 

(unless Chalice misses the timing)

 

The mark of an idiot attempting to sound intelligent is that he tosses around phrases that he knows other people use but doesn't understand at all.

 

Missing the Timing has nothing to do with this. Stupid rookie.

 

and becomes an instant-summon beatstick

 

The word "instant" implies that it pops out the moment you need it whenever you need it. It does not imply that it pops out when your opponent decides to permit it during a Phase in which you can't even use it.

 

to run over you opponent

 

It's not going to be running over anything during their turn.

 

without any drawbacks.

 

"Without any drawbacks" is a highly misleading phrase. Blue-Eyes White Dragon and Celtic Guardian could be said to be "without any drawbacks".

 

Of course' date=' no matter what your definition of "drawback" is, this card does have a "drawback" - the self-destruct effect.

 

It is an awesome card. [/thread]

 

Protip: [/thread] should be used once a definitive statement has been made that completely sums up all aspects of a card, leaving nothing more that can possibly be said. Therefore, you should never use [/thread], because you're too dumb to ever accomplish this feat.

I'm surprised this guy didn't get a list of neg reps yet because of his unsupported and stupid reasoning.

[Sleepy]

do you mind pointing out what is a "better reasoning"?

in a detailed way please because I pretty much agree with Crab Helmet... :?

[CrabHelmet]

There are much better ways of Special Summoning beatsticks. It doesn't help that this can only come out in response to a specific action of the opponent (so if your opponent doesn't draw' date=' say, Charge, you've got a dead card), that that action will almost [i']always[/i] occur exclusively during your opponent's Main Phase 1, and that this self-destructs after only one turn.

 

What do you mean "only"?

 

You can still normal and special summon it by any other means you see fit.

 

Which would make it inferior in every way to Blue-Eyes White Dragon.

 

And that's terrible.

 

And it only self destructs when summoned by that one effect' date='

[/quote']

 

Blue-Eyes White Dragon.

 

and not until your end-phase!

 

Indeed' date=' your opponent will probably have killed it by then anyhow.

 

This card seems amazingly great.

 

To you.

 

Then again, you're you, which nullifies that.

 

a free 2800 ATK beatstick

 

It's not "free". You lose a card from your hand - namely' date=' this card. You also sacrifice consistency by risking dead draws.

 

for a only slightly rare event,

 

More rare than you'd think. How many cards that allow this to Special Summon itself do you think a random opponent's deck is likely to run? Now, of those, how many do you think won't be fetching a card like Judgment Dragoon that can completely crush this card? Perhaps three, if you're lucky? Lightlords would certainly only have three such cards: the Charges. And of those, how many will not activate during your opponent's Main Phase 1, giving them all the time in the world to destroy this before you can even make use of its beatstick power?

 

or a not-so-free one any time you want.

 

Wow' date=' you make Blue-Eyes White Dragon sound like pro tech.

 

It is anti-Gadgets, in a sense,

 

Siding against Gadgets is the only way this card would be at all useful, but even then there are better options. Besides, it comes out in your opponent's Main Phase 1, and we all know that Gadgets aren't exactly lacking in the removal department.

 

and with Skill Drain

 

Which negates Gadgets' date=' thus defeating the purpose of using this card in the first place.

 

or Prohibited Chalice,

 

You'd waste Prohibited Chalice keeping a vanilla beatstick on the field instead of negating the opponent's effects?

 

Actually, if I recall correctly, you were one of the idiots who wanted to use it as an inferior Rush Recklessly in Normal Monster decks, so yes, you would. A better question is whether anyone with any sense would do it.

 

this card loses the destruction effect

 

Assuming that it hasn't already been destroyed. Which it probably has.

 

(unless Chalice misses the timing)

 

The mark of an idiot attempting to sound intelligent is that he tosses around phrases that he knows other people use but doesn't understand at all.

 

Missing the Timing has nothing to do with this. Stupid rookie.

 

and becomes an instant-summon beatstick

 

The word "instant" implies that it pops out the moment you need it whenever you need it. It does not imply that it pops out when your opponent decides to permit it during a Phase in which you can't even use it.

 

to run over you opponent

 

It's not going to be running over anything during their turn.

 

without any drawbacks.

 

"Without any drawbacks" is a highly misleading phrase. Blue-Eyes White Dragon and Celtic Guardian could be said to be "without any drawbacks".

 

Of course' date=' no matter what your definition of "drawback" is, this card does have a "drawback" - the self-destruct effect.

 

It is an awesome card. [/thread]

 

Protip: [/thread] should be used once a definitive statement has been made that completely sums up all aspects of a card, leaving nothing more that can possibly be said. Therefore, you should never use [/thread], because you're too dumb to ever accomplish this feat.

I'm surprised this guy didn't get a list of neg reps yet because of his unsupported and stupid reasoning.

 

Oops, I overlooked the key fact that this works with Tribute Doll, and Blue-Eyes White Dragon doesn't. Therefore, this is an amazingly great card, and everybody should run it. My apologies for not realizing this, Oh Great One. For this failure on my part, I am unworthy to remain at YCM, and shall return to TCGPlayer, where the users are closer to my own level of shame!

[GenzoTheHarpist]

I'm surprised this guy didn't get a list of neg reps yet because of his unsupported and stupid reasoning.

 

Oops' date=' I overlooked the key fact that this works with Tribute Doll, and Blue-Eyes White Dragon doesn't. Therefore, this is an amazingly great card, and everybody should run it. My apologies for not realizing this, Oh Great One. For this failure on my part, I am unworthy to remain at YCM, and shall return to TCGPlayer, where the users are closer to my own level of shame!

[/quote']

 

I think he means Logmon is the one with the unsupported reasoning.

[CrabHelmet]

I'm surprised this guy didn't get a list of neg reps yet because of his unsupported and stupid reasoning.

 

Oops' date=' I overlooked the key fact that this works with Tribute Doll, and Blue-Eyes White Dragon doesn't. Therefore, this is an amazingly great card, and everybody should run it. My apologies for not realizing this, Oh Great One. For this failure on my part, I am unworthy to remain at YCM, and shall return to TCGPlayer, where the users are closer to my own level of shame!

[/quote']

 

I think he means Logmon is the one with the unsupported reasoning.

 

Considering TCK quoted my post and was defending this card earlier in the topic - and considering how I tend to be neg bait - I assumed he was referring to me. I suppose he might have been referring to Logmon, though.

[六兆年と一夜物語]

[align=center]*coughcoughPotofGreedPotofAvaricecoughcough*

 

Your opponent must be careful.[/align]

[Guest PikaPerson01]

*coughcoughPotofGreedPotofAvaricecoughcough*

 

[六兆年と一夜物語]

[align=center]Oh. In that case...

 

*coughcoughSangancoughcough*[/align]

[Toffee.]

What about Compulsory? Or Penguin Soldier?

[六兆年と一夜物語]

Sangan came into mind first.

[The Crimson King]

I'm surprised this guy didn't get a list of neg reps yet because of his unsupported and stupid reasoning.

 

Oops' date=' I overlooked the key fact that this works with Tribute Doll, and Blue-Eyes White Dragon doesn't. Therefore, this is an amazingly great card, and everybody should run it. My apologies for not realizing this, Oh Great One. For this failure on my part, I am unworthy to remain at YCM, and shall return to TCGPlayer, where the users are closer to my own level of shame!

[/quote']

 

I think he means Logmon is the one with the unsupported reasoning.

 

Considering TCK quoted my post and was defending this card earlier in the topic - and considering how I tend to be neg bait - I assumed he was referring to me. I suppose he might have been referring to Logmon, though.

Crab, I actually was referring to Logmon. And I already said that I take back my unsupported statement, so I'm not defending the poor quality of this card in any way.

[werewolfjedi]

*coughcoughPotofGreedPotofAvaricecoughcough*

 

 

rep.

 

that made me laugh