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Has Hichigo ever manifested in the real world in a canon arc? That is, has he appeared in person? No. A shinigami's inner world is an image of their state of existence, and their powers and emotions appear as distinct individuals. Think of Hichigo as a metaphor for Ichigo's fears and regrets (or something along those lines: whatever Tensa Zangetsu says during the Final Getsuga Tenshou fight.) as well as for his Hollow powers.

 

Ichigo only "refused" to fight Ulquiorra on what he perceived to be unequal terms; the latter had lost an arm and a leg from Ichigo's earlier assault, and would hardly be capable of fighting at the same level.

 

So your argument was that Ichigo caused Grimmjow's death, and is therefore obviously portrayed as innocent?

 

I'm perfectly capable of reading, it's just hard to understand your argument when you change it between each post.

 

Why should Ichigo have killed Dordonii? Remember, these people are the good side, the heroes; randomly killing someone that isn't even that high-ranked just because they're defeated sounds more like something the villains would do. (As a matter of fact, that's exactly what happens to Dordonii - he gets killed by the Exequias.) He's also trying to save Orihime and thwart Aizen's plans - he doesn't have the time to finish off some random goon that can't even fight.

 

Overall, this can be said; Ichigo's honorable, not innocent.

 

Oh, and this just in: My claims are absolutely impossible to actually agree with, so everyone that even posts something slightly similar is obviously doing it just to get my attention and for me to think of them more highly in a discussion forum on the internet.

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I'm perfectly capable of reading, it's just hard to understand your argument when you change it between each post.

 

I'm not changing =/ Stop using that argument, which I've recently learned to be one of 20 or so fallacies to be commonly used in arguments. I shot down each change you claimed I made.

 

Has Hichigo ever manifested in the real world in a canon arc? That is, has he appeared in person?

 

Vs. Byakuya, he was running about.

 

No. A shinigami's inner world is an image of their state of existence, and their powers and emotions appear as distinct individuals. Think of Hichigo as a metaphor for Ichigo's fears and regrets (or something along those lines: whatever Tensa Zangetsu says during the Final Getsuga Tenshou fight.) as well as for his Hollow powers.

 

Yet, that hollow has a will, and has been seen outside =/

 

Ichigo only "refused" to fight Ulquiorra on what he perceived to be unequal terms; the latter had lost an arm and a leg from Ichigo's earlier assault, and would hardly be capable of fighting at the same level.

 

Which gives him some semblence of being a good human being, when, in fact, he committed genocide.

 

So your argument was that Ichigo caused Grimmjow's death, and is therefore obviously portrayed as innocent?

 

Ichigo attempted to protect Grimmjow from Nnoitra as soom as Grimmjow got hit. He actually refused to kill him, and did not cause his death, despite going in resolved to kill.

 

Why should Ichigo have killed Dordonii? Remember, these people are the good side, the heroes; randomly killing someone that isn't even that high-ranked just because they're defeated sounds more like something the villains would do. (As a matter of fact, that's exactly what happens to Dordonii - he gets killed by the Exequias.) He's also trying to save Orihime and thwart Aizen's plans - he doesn't have the time to finish off some random goon that can't even fight.

 

He should have killed him in one shot. If he's so pressed for time to save Orihime that he can't kill an enemy who might come back to haunt him, and instead heal him, killing him would've saved time, and been good for Dordonii. Everyone knows killing Hollows with a Zanpakuto is their salvation, yet Ichigo refused to do anything but flaunt how powerful he was next to Dordonii.

 

Overall, this can be said; Ichigo's honorable, not innocent.

 

He's not honorable. Honorable would be to kill an Arrancar, considering it saves them. Instead, he decides who gets to live and die, and those he lets live often die a death that kills them for eternity.

 

As with Dordonii, he let them live as a matter of some twisted pride.

 

Oh, and this just in: My claims are absolutely impossible to actually agree with, so everyone that even posts something slightly similar is obviously doing it just to get my attention and for me to think of them more highly in a discussion forum on the internet.

 

Is anything added to the argument by their posts? No, it's just a +1 to say "I AGREE WITH THIS WITHOUT THOUGHT"

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Oh, and this just in: My claims are absolutely impossible to actually agree with, so everyone that even posts something slightly similar is obviously doing it just to get my attention and for me to think of them more highly in a discussion forum on the internet.

Somone thinks highly of himself.

 

 

Is anything added to the argument by their posts? No, it's just a +1 to say "I AGREE WITH THIS WITHOUT THOUGHT"

I agree with this without any thought. Satisfied?

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Just because Ichigo leaves them for dead doesn't mean that he intended it. His intention was to simply leave them there. Only the one who finishes them off is guilty. There is only a problem when we don't see Ichigo feel guilty about the fact that he caused their damnation.

 

Ichigo wanted to defeat Ulquiorra without having to succumb to the bestial nature of his Hollow self. Therefore, when Ichigo saw the injuries that Ulquiorra had sustained at his hands, he thought it was unfair. Hichigo is indeed just another aspect of Ichigo, but Ichigo doesn't want to become like him.

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Just because Ichigo leaves them for dead doesn't mean that he intended it. His intention was to simply leave them there. Only the one who finishes them off is guilty. There is only a problem when we don't see Ichigo feel guilty about the fact that he caused their damnation.

 

But he inadvertently caused their damnation, and he just doesn't care. He left Grimmjow in the sand, left Dordonii unable to fight, and just stood there as Ulqui died.

 

Ichigo wanted to defeat Ulquiorra without having to succumb to the bestial nature of his Hollow self. Therefore, when Ichigo saw the injuries that Ulquiorra had sustained at his hands, he thought it was unfair.

 

I realize this, but if Ulquiorra is fading away, unable to move, he could at least have the decency to set him free.

 

Hichigo is indeed just another aspect of Ichigo, but Ichigo doesn't want to become like him.

 

Vs. Byakuya, he was very much sentient and in control.

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But it may be implied, but not really brought up ever again. Basically he replaced showing it with brutal death scenes.

I'm sorry, but how does that make it NOT a governing law of the Bleach universe? I don't reference gravity much, but it still holds me down.

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Just caught up by briefly reading the wiki page (I stopped when Aizen was sealed away).

 

ICHIGO GOT HIS POWERS BACK???

 

Slightly angry at this.

You didn't see him getting his powers back? As soon as they said that wasn't the end of Bleach it should have been obvious that he would get them back.

 

Boring according to Kenpachi's view. Can anyone please at least explain about Yukio's new abilities?

My guess is he can bend reality as if reality was his game. Not 100% sure though.

 

And yea, just a dull chapter. Ken is always fun though.

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I liked Yukio at first, but this chapter made me a bit torn. He's still my favorite of the Fullbringers, though. Jackie is unimpressive, Giriko suffered massive character derailment here (That or he showed his true colors), and I honestly don't get why Riruka is popular.

 

I'm definitely looking forward to these next few fights though.

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I liked Yukio at first, but this chapter made me a bit torn. He's still my favorite of the Fullbringers, though. Jackie is unimpressive, Giriko suffered massive character derailment here (That or he showed his true colors), and I honestly don't get why Riruka is popular.

 

I'm definitely looking forward to these next few fights though.

Riruka is popular for the same reason most other anime girls are popular. Because she's a girl in an anime. Jackie's fullbring just seems like a Yoruichi clone. :/

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So, I was thinking.

 

Shishigawara is gonna turn good, along with Riruka.

 

First off, he had the infatuation with Orihime when he was first seen, despite being told to KILL HER.

 

He uses a luck based power, which is usually a good guy power.

 

Then there's the fact that he's the only Fullbringer really shown in their day-to-day life besides Riruka.

 

Finally, Tsukishima/Ginjo plan to kill him.

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