Official Bleach Discussion Thread

[Flame Dragon]

Since when were you under the assumption that he "played dead"? He could easily have been knocked out or otherwise incapacitated by Aizen's attack, but you have to remember someone. Unohana, Captain of the Fourth Division and thus the most skilled healer in all of Soul Society, is in Karakura Town at the moment. She could easily have restored Urahara to usable condition.

Good point. But this raises another. Why didn't every one charge after Azien? They didn't know what was going on so based on the amount of time that had passed odds are most of the people would have been healed and able to fight again, so what were they doing while Urahara was telling Azien, "You loss."

 

I think the Hogyouku kicked in thanks to the Final Getsuga Tenshou. It put Aizen below a point where it couldn't fully regenerate him without destroying itself, and thus didn't. It even used up some of Aizen's reiatsu in the process, obliterating Kyouka Suigetsu's physical form.

Azien came back after his body was destroyed, meaning he's come back from worse.

 

Or, going on from that last string but in a different direction, Aizen has now done what Ichigo did and became one with his Zanpakuto; what we're seeing - or what Aizen wants us to see - is the manifestation of Kyouka Suigetsu, where Aizen becomes Kanzen Saimin.

But then wouldn't Ichigo still be immune to it's power? He was immune to it before so that should be true. And if you are right and he isn't dead then this whole chapter was pointless.

[Umbra]

Good point. But this raises another. Why didn't every one charge after Azien? They didn't know what was going on so based on the amount of time that had passed odds are most of the people would have been healed and able to fight again, so what were they doing while Urahara was telling Azien, "You loss."

 

An hour has passed since Ichigo and Isshin entered the Dangai, at most. Unohana probably thought that if anyone present at the battle could help Ichigo, it would be Urahara. I'm not sure what else she's doing, but she's probably healing the others. It's possible that Urahara pulled a Rangiku and headed out to Seireitei before his injuries were fully healed.

 

Azien came back after his body was destroyed, meaning he's come back from worse.

 

Correction: That was the upper left part of his chest. The baka does look a lot worse than Kamishini no Yari.

 

But then wouldn't Ichigo still be immune to it's power? He was immune to it before so that should be true. And if you are right and he isn't dead then this whole chapter was pointless.

 

I do believe that Aizen pulled a silent release when he revealed the Hougyoku. Let's just be glad he hasn't bothered using it until now... or has he?

[Ghoulish]

so much filler, onto episode 54, looking good so far

[Ghoulish]

hey i just have a question:

 

In the anime, when they return to the world of the living after being in Soul Society, Ichigo needed to re-laren the Bankai ability right?

In the manga he didn't have to re learn it did he? Was it just filler for the anime?

[Professor Cobra]

Once you learn it, it stays with you.

 

I think that Aizen is finally defeated. Tite added the word 'final' to the first page and it felt like it ended. that and ichigo cant really do anything now so it be pointless.

 

As far the latest chapter, it sucked that ichigo lost his power after 1 attack, maybe 3 pages. but, it let aizen regenerate and appear to have won. then die in the same chapter.

[Fusion X. Denver]

I agree with Flame Dragon, the fight did not end on a good note. There should have been more to it, you know? To me, it just seemed like they exchanged a few attacks (granted they were high-level ones, but still) and it ended too quickly. I'm hoping Aizen escapes somehow from the sealing just to do more build-up, but I can see it go in either direction, whether he's now out of it, or he comes back. I like Kisuke, but I feel as though his move rendered Ichigo's training to be pointless. This is because now Ichigo lost all the power he gained, and he didn't even get to finish off the (supposedly) final villain. Even if people say if not for Ichigo, Kisuke's seal would not have worked, it still leaves an unsatisfying feeling that Ichigo did that training, only to lose his powers "permanently" and have something Kisuke did several chapters ago come in to play. To me, it was bad story-telling.

 

Ichigo losing his powers, I'm pretty sure he'll get them back. He's the main character for Pete's sake and there are 2 more arcs left (what I heard anyway). It's a question of how, whether he does the same thing Rukia did, or Orihime undoes his loss of powers (I don't know if that's possible but maybe) or this one crazed theory I heard was the Spirit King could give him his Shinigami powers back (which if that happens, it nulls my following statement). I'm just wondering if the Spirit King will be the final villain, because if he is, then Bleach has pulled a Zatch Bell; most of the series runs on one final villain, then for the last arc this guy comes out of nowhere who's epically stronger and people have to defeat him.

[Phantom Roxas]

I like how the baka devoured and broke down Aizen. Granted, it just about copied Cell's death, but it was awesome anyway. My only problem is that Aizen never got to use bankai, assuming he had it and Kyoka Suigetsu really was only his shikai.

[Umbra]

I agree with Flame Dragon, the fight did not end on a good note. There should have been more to it, you know? To me, it just seemed like they exchanged a few attacks (granted they were high-level ones, but still) and it ended too quickly. I'm hoping Aizen escapes somehow from the sealing just to do more build-up, but I can see it go in either direction, whether he's now out of it, or he comes back. I like Kisuke, but I feel as though his move rendered Ichigo's training to be pointless. This is because now Ichigo lost all the power he gained, and he didn't even get to finish off the (supposedly) final villain. Even if people say if not for Ichigo, Kisuke's seal would not have worked, it still leaves an unsatisfying feeling that Ichigo did that training, only to lose his powers "permanently" and have something Kisuke did several chapters ago come in to play. To me, it was bad story-telling.

 

Ichigo losing his powers, I'm pretty sure he'll get them back. He's the main character for Pete's sake and there are 2 more arcs left (what I heard anyway). It's a question of how, whether he does the same thing Rukia did, or Orihime undoes his loss of powers (I don't know if that's possible but maybe) or this one crazed theory I heard was the Spirit King could give him his Shinigami powers back (which if that happens, it nulls my following statement). I'm just wondering if the Spirit King will be the final villain, because if he is, then Bleach has pulled a Zatch Bell; most of the series runs on one final villain, then for the last arc this guy comes out of nowhere who's epically stronger and people have to defeat him.

 

 

1. You are aware that the Aizen fight started at least thirty chapters ago, right? This is by no means a short fight.

 

2. Urahara's seal was the finisher to Ichigo's opening move. Ichigo pushed Aizen down to the level where Urahara's seal happened to kick in. Ichigo and Urahara finished off Aizen. None of them could've done individually. That was good story-teling.

 

3. If these chapters should've taught you anything, it is that Ichigo has more than just Shinigami power. What about his Hollow side? He's far from powerless, he just doesn't have the Zanpakuto.

 

4. Urahara specifically said that the Spirit King shouldn't be fought - otherwise, Soul Society will collapse. He can't be the villain.

 

5. Bleach has kinda pulled that one already. Remember back in the Soul Society arc, when everyone thought Gin had killed Aizen and was thus the main villain? (Hilarious in hindsight)

[bury the year]

After Urahara's comment about the Spirit King being a "lynchpin," I'm starting to think that they're not necessarily human/sentient. Maybe it's more of a natural force?

[NeoDemonX]

When I read about the "Spirit King", I though he was talking about the Soul King but maybe its a higher being.

[Umbra]

When I read about the "Spirit King", I though he was talking about the Soul King but maybe its a higher being.

 

Pretty sure they're the same, just different translations.

 

Rinne, I believe we see the Spirit King's face during the chapter, but you're right - it may not be sentient.

[Phantom Roxas]

For those who didn't notice or simply misunderstood the image, this is the Spirt King.

 

[Βyakuya]

I don't think Aizen will release his bankai. His Hogyoku releases are good enough and waste time.

[Professor Cobra]

idk. he would have already. and if he yelled, then i am sure the sealing worked, its not like ichigo can save the day without powers.

[Ghoulish]

this animes starting to get annoying, every fight ichigo goes in he always gets his ass kicked and body cut up.

[Fusion X. Denver]

1. You are aware that the Aizen fight started at least thirty chapters ago, right? This is by no means a short fight.

 

2. Urahara's seal was the finisher to Ichigo's opening move. Ichigo pushed Aizen down to the level where Urahara's seal happened to kick in. Ichigo and Urahara finished off Aizen. None of them could've done individually. That was good story-teling.

 

3. If these chapters should've taught you anything, it is that Ichigo has more than just Shinigami power. What about his Hollow side? He's far from powerless, he just doesn't have the Zanpakuto.

 

4. Urahara specifically said that the Spirit King shouldn't be fought - otherwise, Soul Society will collapse. He can't be the villain.

 

5. Bleach has kinda pulled that one already. Remember back in the Soul Society arc, when everyone thought Gin had killed Aizen and was thus the main villain? (Hilarious in hindsight)

 

1. I was referring solely to the fight that occurred after Ichigo returned to Karakura Town with his new Getsuga Tenshou. And THAT, to me, was short.

 

2. This I suppose can be considered right or wrong depending on one's perspective of good story telling. To me, 1-upping a character's improvement and undermining it by finishing off the main villain was bad story telling in my eyes, whereas you see it as a combined effort that managed to take down Aizen. I suppose your opinion can be correct, but by the way I define story telling, to me I would have done it differently.

 

3. I suppose so, but do you really think he'll continue doing Shinigami duties as a Vizard with no Zanpakutou? Plus, the Hollow Powers that come with being a Vizard augment one's Shinigami abilities; if Ichigo has none, it's possible he'll still have access to hollow powers, but what happens when a normal human tries using them? It's possible Ichigo will either be corrupted or simply have no access to them.

And the most important thing, Ichigo's powers, Tensa Zangetsu and his Hollow self, they formed into one being representing his power. And then that being said goodbye to him. Wouldn't that mean he'd lose his Hollow powers as well? (I just thought of this point as I was typing, consider it my main rebuttal I guess).

Though I still believe he'll recover his Shinigami powers, it's a Shonen manga >.>

 

4. That certainly sounds logical, but my rebuttal is an example coming from a manga called YuYu Hakusho. In it, demons were the main antagonists and Enma, the ruler of the Underworld, employed the main character to combat them whenever they committed evil deeds and what not. However, it was later revealed that Enma let demons into the Living World to cause chaos and give meaning to his own existence, meaning he was another corrupt ruler. Kubo could do something similar with the Spirit King actually being corrupt and then someone takes over as his successor, in YuYu Hakusho Enma was succeeded by his son who was the one that revealed his father was corrupt.

 

5. That was early in the manga, Zatch Bell's supposed final villain was revealed around the same point through the manga that Aizen was revealed as the villain in Bleach. Meaning I still believe that there will be a final villain coming from nowhere who's epically stronger, and hopefully Ichigo will have a crack at him and do the finisher >.>

[Blake]

Yammy's puppy is back! He asked it why it followed him... then dies.

 

Also, Kubo makes a feeble attempt to Humanize Aizen.

[Βyakuya]

http://mangastream.com/read/bleach/81365508/1

 

It's so slow...

 

 

Anyways, Once again Kubo skips some moments are skip ahead to Mayuri returning to the Human World with Kenpachi and Me and the rest. But it;s a bummer the fight wasn't seen much in depth. But Yammy's dog?? Another unnecessary need or something.

[Blake]

Kubo just used this chapter to humanize Yammy and Aizen. And to show that ONLY 1 GOOD GUY (Yamamoto) DIED!

[Βyakuya]

But where did he go??????? That comment you made remember him all of a sudden. All I known that he finished off Wonderweiss and I have no idea.

[Blake]

... Yamamoto got blown up by Wonderweiss, then used a sacrificial Kido to kill himself to seriously wound/kill Aizen.

 

Also, I think Hichigo is coming out, and they'll have to kill Ichigo, as he can no longer defend himself from him, due to no Zangetsu.

 

Seriously, look at Ichigo's face. It's like it gets when his Hollow comes out.

[Βyakuya]

Well pretty much ubo needs to spend his next arcs full of action cause it ended so fast. I didn't really admire it, although Ichigo's baka pwned. :) So, Urahara says Aizen's final fate is under the jurisdiction of Central 46. So now what?

[Blake]

He dies. After Kubo tries to make him seem like a NOT complete monster. And fails.

 

Also, a little thing: What if Ichigo IS killed while Hichigo is in control? Does that mean it will fast forward to him being a Shinigami in the future, after death?

 

Or... MAybe... the other Half-Shinigami wit hthe ability to see souls will take his place.

[Βyakuya]

I dunno. at the ned he beings to lose his shinigami powers. Will he be re-able to regain them over the next chapters like Rukia?

[Fusion X. Denver]

Of course he's gonna get them back, the question is how >__>

But also, even though I think his inner Hollow may be raging, I'm confused.

I thought his Hollow self was lost with his powers because the fused being of Hollow Ichigo and Tensa Zangetsu said goodbye?

Did Yamamoto really die though? I checked on Wiki to be sure and it said the spell he used had the user act as a sacrifice, but his death was never confirmed unless I forgot it >.>