Flame Dragon Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 [spoiler=Key points of 411]Rangiku blocks Kanonji's spirit-hook-thing. If there's any doubt she's switched sides' date=' it's all gone now. [/quote'] It could be she was trying to save Don There aren't other, less complicated ways for her to do that? She's kinda proficient in Kidou; a binding spell would be far more sufficient for that. Even a shunpo-powered tackle would be more useful. But purposely injuring yourself to save someone you've never met before? Does that sound like Matsumoto - or anyone at all - to you? She isn't Lawful Stupid by any means, why would she do that? It's not made clear how she stopped Don. And what makes you think she was hurt? She looks fine when you do get a good look at her. Her reason for helping them is because it's her job to protect the town and the people in it. It looks blatantly obvious to me. She either grabbed the thing or took the blow. Kira told us she was hurt, remember? "Your injuries haven't healed yet" or the like. Remember, this is the same Rangiku that got most of her intestines ripped out. Rangiku siding with Aizen also explains exactly how Aizen knew Ichigo was getting a new power. She saw Ichigo and Isshin in the Dangai, Ichigo doing Ginzen, and conveyed the message to Aizen. What makes you think she didn't switch sides ages ago? Everything up until now could've been an act. Aizen could have use of a person on the inside - who better than a person still loyal to her old captain? If she took the blow or grabbed it we would have seen some indication of it. They would have shown a hand grab the cane thing or her taking some blow when she stopped him. It looks like some energy thing blocked it. And this is the same Rangiku the watched one of her oldest friends betray her. The safest assumption is she's going to try to stop him. No it wouldn't. Azien said that before he saw Rangiku so their is no way she could have told them since she clearly just got to them. How could she have switched sides before hand? Based on how things played out when the battle first start it seems to me that Rangiku hasn't seen Gin since he left and when he did leave she was just as shocked at his betrayal as everyone else. Also, we were never told if Rangiku worked under Azien or Gin. Really, I want to know why you want to make an apple an orange. You can keep saying "it could have happened" but really almost anything could have happened if you have no indication one way or another. When you have no real way to tell, you make the safe assumption. Most of the time all an apple is, is an apple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraveHorizon Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 Everyone is over-analyzing Rangiku's "I made it." She got there in time before they could carry out their plans, that is all. This switching sides talk is coming out of nowhere. She saved Kanonji, which is what someone of her character type would do in that situation. Unless they make her a secret psycho out of the blue, she's not going to join Aizen's crew. She's probably gonna try to talk down Gin. Or fight him if she's stupid enough. When Aizen said he knew about everything from the very beginning, I think he actually meant the beginning; he probably had a hand in Ichigo's mother's death, and was watching Ichigo from the day he was born. It's not like Ichigo is just some random kid with shinigami powers, his father is a shinigami, which Aizen was most likely aware of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 I'm sick of everyone who goes "It's Aizen' date=' he plans everything and knows the future" because he doesn't.[/quote'] Even though he made it extremely obvious that he's been planning things about since before Ichigo was born? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 Well I can say Don Kanonji will probably try to be a hero and Aizen will just stand confounded. While Rangiku wants Gin to stop. Then another flashback happens of Gin and Rangiku's childhood and what happened, and maybe alongside Isshin's too. Then she risks her life to stop him. And the rest is all faint. This is my guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 Crack theory regarding Aizen only those familiar with Mirai Nikki will get. Aizen previously won a past Survival Game, but as it turns out, there's an even bigger Survival Game that the Spirit King is involved in, and that is to become the God of the whole universe. Aizen's Diary is the "Ichigo Kurosaki Diary", which enters predictions based on Ichigo and his friends' actions. This is precisely what Aizen used to orchestrate his Thirty Xanatos Pileup all for the sake of killing the Spirit King. His Diary is either:A) Kyoka Suigetsu itself. Using Jinzen, Aizen constantly relayed his actions to Kyoka Suigetsu. Some time after Ichigo was burn, Aizen became a Diary Holder and Kyoka Suigetsu became a Future Diary.orB) His glasses. We know that Aizen really didn't need the glasses, but while he say things through the glasses, he memorized them in his head. Once he became a Diary Holder, his glasses were converted into a Future Diary. Once he gained the Hogyoku, he somehow transferred his glasses' abilities and status as a Future Diary to the Hogyoku.For the Spirit King, his Future Diary is simply his Zanpakuto. The reason he hasn't directly taken yet is because he can't leave the Royal Palace, and so ''his'' Diary records the actions of Shinigami Captains, even if they were former Captains. Thus, he has been watching Aizen's plans and is currently formulating his own Xanatos Gambit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbra Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 The very fact that she addresses Aizen and Gin with the "I made it" makes it clear to me that she was trying to catch up with them, in the sense that they were running ahead of her. Had she been trying to defend Kanonji, she would have addressed him. GraveHorizon; No, that is not all. It is obviously not all; stop saying that it is. The fact that there are alternate interpretations to your own shows that it is not all. I'm sick of everyone who goes "It's Aizen' date=' he plans everything and knows the future" because he doesn't.[/quote'] Even though he made it extremely obvious that he's been planning things about since before Ichigo was born? Except that he never did. He planned all of Ichigo's rises in power level during his time as a Shinigami - not a difficult thing since he was actually in charge of Seireitei at the time - and knew about him since before he was born. Flame Dragon, Unohana's vice-captain used an instant-message Kidou. It's not impossible that Rangiku knows this as well. As for the "we don't know if she stopped the attack or not" thing, she dives in infront of him. Directly afterward, we see her with her hand raised. I think it's painfully obvious that she parried the attack. Assume that I am right, like the rest of my theory does, and that Rangiku has been an inside agent for Aizen all this time. Thus, Gin never betrayed her; it was all part of the plan. I don't see why you claim an orange to be an apple, when it's clearly an orange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhstanley3 Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 and i still mantain that tousen could have made a much better role as a spy than rangiku. He fought a rogue kenpachi, not kenpachi fighting a rogue tosen. If he wanted a spy, he would have left tousen, not have taken him. Following the logic of "tousen fought kenpachi, so he must be bad" therefore follows the logic that "since komamura also fought kenpachi alongside tousen, he is bad as well." Rangiku is not a spy. There are so many more things that aizen could have done. He could have told them that his ability relies on sight, and left tousen in the 13 court guard squads, where they would have based all of their counter attacks around tousen, and then in the middle of the battle he betrays all of them and the soul societies entire defense is destroyed, in a single battle, where the one dependent worked for the enemy. No, if aizen wanted someone to be able to spy for him, he would have left tousen. And ok, so she addresses aizen and gin. You've never run late and just said a general "I made it" and then address someone else in the area on a different topic? example: You're running late for work, and there is an important case. You run through the doors right as the meeting is about to disperse, as you are a lawyer defending a client, before going to court. You gasp out a sigh and say "I made it." You then turn to the prosecution, who is someone that you've been enemies with for a long time. there are two men. "Gin... Aizen..." the names sound bitter in your mouth. Everyone is over-analyzing Rangiku's "I made it." She got there in time before they could carry out their plans' date=' that is all. This switching sides talk is coming out of nowhere. She saved Kanonji, which is what someone of her character type would do in that situation. Unless they make her a secret psycho out of the blue, she's not going to join Aizen's crew. She's probably gonna try to talk down Gin. Or fight him if she's stupid enough. When Aizen said he knew about everything from the very beginning, I think he actually meant the beginning; he probably had a hand in Ichigo's mother's death, and was watching Ichigo from the day he was born. It's not like Ichigo is just some random kid with shinigami powers, his father is a shinigami, which Aizen was most likely aware of.[/quote'] I think GraveHorizon is correct. you're overanalysing a simple "I made it." that is directed at herself. Also, aizen has said he has been watching ichigo from the moment he was born. What's to stop him from also dictating other moments in ichigo's life, like when his mother died. Aizen could only be telling ichigo a part of the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotalFlake Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 This may sound stupid, but it doesn't have anything to do with the current conversation. Orihime Inoue's power can basically do anything she wants. Or so that is what was mentioned, basically. Do you think it could even bring Ulquiorra Cifer back? Knowing her, and knowing how the fight with them ended, she is just stupid enough to try to bring him back. But now knowing how Aizen is, maybe that is one way the fight with him (Aizen) will turn out. I just think, with her power she can bring back all of the dead. He thinks she is too weak minded to pull anything like that off. Which would make for a pretty big twist if they all jumped Aizen. As in the Espada would end up helping in a way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 This may sound stupid' date=' but it doesn't have anything to do with the current conversation. Orihime Inoue's power can basically do anything she wants. Or so that is what was mentioned, basically. Do you think it could even bring Ulquiorra Cifer back? Knowing her, and knowing how the fight with them ended, she is just stupid enough to try to bring him back. But now knowing how Aizen is, maybe that is one way the fight with him (Aizen) will turn out. I just think, with her power she can bring back all of the dead. He thinks she is too weak minded to pull anything like that off. Which would make for a pretty big twist if they all jumped Aizen. As in the Espada would end up helping in a way.[/quote'] Orihime's Santen Kesshun (correct me if I'm wrong) can only heal, not bring back the dead. sure it helped characters like Ichigo and Chad, but her power is not that powerful. And why would she bring back the fallen Espada? I mean, she did have a relationship with Ulquiorra, but it doesn't mean she has to bring her back to life. And besides, she's in Hueco Mundo, and the bodies of the otehr Espadas are unknown. Common Sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 She brought back that Fracción, the one Grimmjow blew the brains out of. But no, she won't bring back another one for sure. She might heal one that wants to help but apart from that, nah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 But they say Grimmjow's whereabouts are unknown.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 But they say Grimmjow's whereabouts are unknown.... What does that have to do with what I said :/ I said that Orihime DOES have the power to bring the dead back to life but agreed she wouldn't do it with a dead Aranacar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 Well, that she healed Chad, Ichigo, and so many others, we don't know if they're dead. If they are, then we may have a hope after all.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhstanley3 Posted July 8, 2010 Report Share Posted July 8, 2010 she can't bring people back to life from the dead. She tried to heal ichigo after he had a hole blown in his chest, but she obviously couldn't fix him. I think it kind of depends on the situation... maybe it's an inconsistency error... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usetheforcehan Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 I'm surprised that Don Kanonji is the one that challenge Aizen. I thought it would be Kon in Ichigo's body. :|Maybe in the next chapter we will see Rangiku's Bankai. Given the fact that her Shikai is a Sand element sword, her Bankai may able to control a massive amount of Sand like Gaara or an ability that can control an Iron Sand like 3rd Kazekage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraveHorizon Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 she can't bring people back to life from the dead. She tried to heal ichigo after he had a hole blown in his chest' date=' but she obviously couldn't fix him. I think it kind of depends on the situation... maybe it's an inconsistency error...[/quote'] I think that had more to do with Ichigo's fluctuating Hollow spirit energy (or the manner in which the wound came about) than death. And technically, wasn't that girl she healed dead? Her whole head was gone. I am certain that she can't heal someone who has absolutely nothing left to heal, i.e. no part of their body left to reconstruct from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlinFan Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Actually, I was rereading the Ulquiorra fight the other day, and from how things looked, it seems to me like Orihime might've subconsciously used her powers to activate Ichigo's new Hollow form. Just an idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhstanley3 Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 i think it wasn't her powers, but more like ichigo's desperateness to protect her that activated it. And that was a beast chapter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotalFlake Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Aizen still wanted to use her power for something. Unless I missed something, he had yet to do so, and I'm sure he does plan to use it; it wasn't just to draw out Ichigo to fight more. I'm sure her power has a great deal of usage for his plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhstanley3 Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 I think he's done with her... he stated that he had no more use for orihime... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted July 14, 2010 Report Share Posted July 14, 2010 Spoilers are out. Matsumoto stands in front in Aizen and Gin. Kanonji banters with Matsumoto. Kanonji tells Tatsuki to flee with Machiru. Gin: Please excuse me and my acquaintance, captain. Aizen: You can speak here... Gin: We'll be in your way. Gin grabs Matsumoto and flies to the roof of a building. Matsumoto: Why are you serving under Aizen? Gin: You're in the way,Rangiku. Does he stab her?? Matsumoto collapses. Kanonji runs. "Tatsuki, drop down!!" We see Keigo holding a sword. He borrowed it from Afro Shinigami, who had collapsed. It seems Keigo is now able to sense Aizen's reiatsu. Both Papa Isshin's hands are bound by a cloth. Blood trickles down from Ichigo's mouth. The end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotalFlake Posted July 14, 2010 Report Share Posted July 14, 2010 I KNEW she wasn't helping them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbra Posted July 14, 2010 Report Share Posted July 14, 2010 It seems I have been Jossed. On the other hand, Keigo can sense Aizen's reiatsu? Interesting indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted July 14, 2010 Report Share Posted July 14, 2010 It seems I have been Jossed. On the other hand' date=' Keigo can sense Aizen's reiatsu? Interesting indeed.[/quote'] He saw shinigami and hollows a long time ago. This explains why. And, surprising Gin has no more heart for Rangiku. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbra Posted July 14, 2010 Report Share Posted July 14, 2010 It seems I have been Jossed. On the other hand' date=' Keigo can sense Aizen's reiatsu? Interesting indeed.[/quote'] He saw shinigami and hollows a long time ago. This explains why. And, surprising Gin has no more heart for Rangiku. Keigo being able to sense Aizen's reiatsu puts him on Ichigo's level. Unless Keigo suddenly develops an inner Hollow, I don't see how he could rise that fast in this little time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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