Blake Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 The lion thing was a hypothetical, man.Depends on how scared they are.It was a really bad hypothetical was the point. Ulquiorra was staring death in the face. Aizen was sure he was gonna be overwhelmed. Grimmjow was getting absolutely slaughtered, albeit unreleased. Again, it goes on and on. I'm pretty sure they were damn scared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakashi Hatake Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 It was a really bad hypothetical was the point. Ulquiorra was staring death in the face. Aizen was sure he was gonna be overwhelmed. Grimmjow was getting absolutely slaughtered, albeit unreleased. Again, it goes on and on. I'm pretty sure they were damn scared.You keep comparing the guy to other characters. You can't say that he can;t be a coward when other characters weren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 You keep comparing the guy to other characters. You can't say that he can;t be a coward when other characters weren't.And you're missing the point, as per usual. He's obviously not a coward. He's proud, confident, even arrogant. Changing as drastically he did isn't good writing at all, even for a stand-in. The reason I'm bringing up others is that you seem incapable of processing that fear wouldn't cause that much a change, especially in someone that was stronger than everyone except Yamamoto, apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakashi Hatake Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 And you're missing the point, as per usual. He's obviously not a coward. He's proud, confident, even arrogant. Changing as drastically he did isn't good writing at all, even for a stand-in. The reason I'm bringing up others is that you seem incapable of processing that fear wouldn't cause that much a change, especially in someone that was stronger than everyone except Yamamoto, apparently.I understand what you're trying to get across. You're saying that someone as confident as him could not possibly be a coward. You've never seen an anime character that is completely arrogant until he comes to someone who's stronger than him? Seriously? It just comes back to my hypothetical about the lions. You're completely confident that the baby won't hurt you, even arrogant, but when facing the big-daddy lion, you're really scared. Am I seriously the only one who gets the point of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 I understand what you're trying to get across. You're saying that someone as confident as him could not possibly be a coward. You've never seen an anime character that is completely arrogant until he comes to someone who's stronger than him? Seriously? It just comes back to my hypothetical about the lions. You're completely confident that the baby won't hurt you, even arrogant, but when facing the big-daddy lion, you're really scared. Am I seriously the only one who gets the point of that?The analogy is stupid, because of course you're really scared, but your personality doesn't change. His personality took a 180 for no reason other than "fear", which makes no sense. He's not some small fish, he's an arc boss. Someone that's truly powerful wouldn't pull this. And, even if they did, it's bad writing, which is the entire point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakashi Hatake Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 The analogy is stupid, because of course you're really scared, but your personality doesn't change. His personality took a 180 for no reason other than "fear", which makes no sense. He's not some small fish, he's an arc boss. Someone that's truly powerful wouldn't pull this. And, even if they did, it's bad writing, which is the entire point.Yes, but you're denying that which his personality was probably the cowardly type the entire time. You're saying that his personality is and only is confident, but denying the blatant possibility that his was probably cowardly the entire time. (by "cowardly", I mean that he's foolishly confident towards anything smaller than him, but scared of anything bigger) It would make complete sense if you'd only stop and think, "Hey, maybe personalities aren't as 2D as I think they are. Maybe, just maybe, a person can be confident towards some things and scared of others." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Yes, but you're denying that which his personality was probably the cowardly type the entire time. You're saying that his personality is and only is confident, but denying the blatant possibility that his was probably cowardly the entire time. (by "cowardly", I mean that he's foolishly confident towards anything smaller than him, but scared of anything bigger) It would make complete sense if you'd only stop and think, "Hey, maybe personalities aren't as 2D as I think they are. Maybe, just maybe, a person can be confident towards some things and scared of others."I don't think they're 2D, I think that making someone do a 180 is terrible writing. OF course, as I said from the start, you have no literary knowledge, and I'm sick of arguing with someone who refuses to listen to basic logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakashi Hatake Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 I don't think they're 2D, I think that making someone do a 180 is terrible writing. OF course, as I said from the start, you have no literary knowledge, and I'm sick of arguing with someone who refuses to listen to basic logic.And where does your profound and magnificent literary abilities come from, oh great one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Juhabach showed absolutely no concern for his subordinates, and killed Luders and Ivan for incredibly mundane reasons. Even if they were Arrancar, can we assume that he treats Quincies any better? That callous nature does not fit with the idea that he would be horrified to see the Quincies Yamamoto resurrected, which, by the way, should be completely skeletal and not have any articles of clothing. The scar I can understand, but not the eyepatch or the hat. Now then, this inconsistent personality could be justified by him being a completely different person from the Juhabach we were introduced to. There are only two possible solutions to this, both of which remind me of Naruto. 1. Yamamoto was fighting someone who was given the image of Juhabach.2. Buckbeard was using Juhabach as an alias to stand in for the real Juhabach, who looks completely different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bury the year Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 Another thing to bring up. Bach is the one person that Yamamoto's never been able to defeat up to this point, even with his bankai. If it's true that Yama's mastered his bankai in that time, I doubt that Bach hasn't been able to increase his own powers as well. If that's true, Bach is even more powerful than Yama now, probably even more so than he was before. (If not, then funk Kubo.) The only problem I can think of is how the reveal is going to work, and who Real!Bach is. I'm still hanging onto my theory that . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 Juhabach showed absolutely no concern for his subordinates, and killed Luders and Ivan for incredibly mundane reasons. Even if they were Arrancar, can we assume that he treats Quincies any better? That callous nature does not fit with the idea that he would be horrified to see the Quincies Yamamoto resurrected, which, by the way, should be completely skeletal and not have any articles of clothing. The scar I can understand, but not the eyepatch or the hat. Now then, this inconsistent personality could be justified by him being a completely different person from the Juhabach we were introduced to. There are only two possible solutions to this, both of which remind me of Naruto. 1. Yamamoto was fighting someone who was given the image of Juhabach.2. Buckbeard was using Juhabach as an alias to stand in for the real Juhabach, who looks completely different.See I just assumed those were the few people Bach cared about before he became a total jackass. Also, the clothing was just him remembering back to what those people looked liked before Yama made killed them. Another thing to bring up. Bach is the one person that Yamamoto's never been able to defeat up to this point, even with his bankai. If it's true that Yama's mastered his bankai in that time, I doubt that Bach hasn't been able to increase his own powers as well. If that's true, Bach is even more powerful than Yama now, probably even more so than he was before. (If not, then funk Kubo.) The only problem I can think of is how the reveal is going to work, and who Real!Bach is. I'm still hanging onto my theory that .Yama wasn't fighting Bach at his full power 1000 years ago. I was just under the impression he left him live as an act of mercy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 You're a bit dense, eh? I don't think highly of myself not in the least, and it's quite the opposite. I just think that people with no knowledge should shut up. Then why are you still talking? No offense, but calling other people idiots because of their opinion of a damn comic book usually implies you think highly of yourself. Although I'd say he's obviously a clone, it's because "I'm sorry Lord Juha Bach"... How does that not imply it was a shapeshifter/clone/etc.? A change in outward personality because you're getting your ass handed to you is quite realistic. You're too used to archetypes in Bleach where a character exhibits one exaggerated trait consistently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 See I just assumed those were the few people Bach cared about before he became a total jackass. Also, the clothing was just him remembering back to what those people looked liked before Yama made killed them. Okay, if they meant something to him, then that could be it. I got that he was remembering what they looked like, but you can see that the skeletons had cues that led him to tell who was who, and those shouldn't have been there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 A change in outward personality because you're getting your ass handed to you is quite realistic. You're too used to archetypes in Bleach where a character exhibits one exaggerated trait consistently.Outward personality should never change that much outside of a mental break. I just used Bleach examples because they're from the same author. Nobody pulls such a drastic change like that, at least not in any legitimate case, without having a mental breakdown. Though, it being a clone does explain it, if you're saying him just snapping is fine on its own even if not clone, it is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 Okay, if they meant something to him, then that could be it. I got that he was remembering what they looked like, but you can see that the skeletons had cues that led him to tell who was who, and those shouldn't have been there.Well, some injuries go down to the bone so if they had some predominate scar, two of the three seemed to have had one, than seeing that would tell him, holy crap, these are my friends from 1000 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 The scar I can let slide. The eyepatch and the cap I can't. The guy with the eyepatch still had hair! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 The scar I can let slide. The eyepatch and the cap I can't. The guy with the eyepatch still had hair!See, I don't think he has an eyepatch. I mean both eye sockets are drawn the same way. The hair is a valid issue though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro Dude Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 I'm just glad Orihime is her usuall bubbly self again. However the dub still has 94 episodes left, and the va's aren't getting any younger. Besides I doubt Janice Kawaye will still be Yuzu Kurosaki anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 See, I don't think he has an eyepatch. I mean both eye sockets are drawn the same way. The hair is a valid issue though. It could be that there's a scar from whatever led to him needing the scar, but it looks like her still has the eyepatch. [spoiler=Spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 It could be that there's a scar from whatever led to him needing the scar, but it looks like her still has the eyepatch. [spoiler=Spoiler] I guess I can see it. Over all it doesn't help that all the skeletons are just globs of black ink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 I'm pretty sure Yamamoto is about to get his s*** kicked in Kubo never has someone arrogantly boast about their powers so much without it coming back to bite them, even the good guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bury the year Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 And I'm disappointed. Again. [spoiler=SPOILER]Not only does Kubo asspull a dead character (c'mon, magical previously-unheard of twin from nowhere?), he doesn't even make the now-likely death of Yamamoto even suspenseful. It's just "slash, cut to credits." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakashi Hatake Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 And I'm disappointed. Again. [spoiler=SPOILER]Not only does Kubo asspull a dead character (c'mon, magical previously-unheard of twin from nowhere?), he doesn't even make the now-likely death of Yamamoto even suspenseful. It's just "slash, cut to credits." I don't understand what you're saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 Latest Chapter, http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Bleach/Bleach-510----The-Extinction?id=142476 I kinda agree with Rinne..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 If he was gonna do that, at least incorporate the twin characters at the start.Interesting that Juha went to Aizen though. Watch Aizen be the key to solving things... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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