Mr.WHAM Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 As far as I'm concerned, Yamamoto just ended that fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zextra Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Yes...he did end "that fight"...[spoiler=Spoiler]And now I take it that Yamamoto becomes powerless against the real Juhabach... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 I personally just loved the whole "you can only steal my power if you know its full limits, so I'm going to show you my full power." Yamamoto is the worse leader ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bury the year Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Oh god Kubo. Why did you do that? That isn't even something that one side can hate and the other love - that's just a universally stupid narrative choice. EDIT: Or, in all likelihood, it could mean that , which isn't as bad but still palmworthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 I've finally caught up with the Dub, on what, 273 now? The fight between Ulqiuorra and Ichigo was amazing, but I hate this whole waiting seven days between episodes thing. Everyone said it got worse at it went along, but aside from the fillers I think it's been awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Yamamoto really underestimated him. I think his idea was that if he showed the full limits, then he would be able to kill him. I'm thinking this was a clone of Juhabach. He acted way too differently than what we have seen of him before. Either that or Kubo's unable to write characters consistently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 I kinda prefer this over it being the real Juha Bach, because whatever reversal he would've done would be way too ridiculous an asspull.What really irks me though is that Kenpachi lost to a copy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 I don't know what to think about this chapter. That last line started to place a bit of a cliffhanger. Once again, Yama-jii is acting ridiculously strong with his OP power. Gonna wait for next chapter so I can place some criticisms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakashi Hatake Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 I'm thinking this was a clone of Juhabach. He acted way too differently than what we have seen of him before. Either that or Kubo's unable to write characters consistently.You don't think that someone as cool-headed and confident as Juha could get a little scared when he knows he can't win? I say it's good writing because if he wasn't afraid, that woud just be in-human. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 You don't think that someone as cool-headed and confident as Juha could get a little scared when he knows he can't win? I say it's good writing because if he wasn't afraid, that woud just be in-human.... You really have no literary knowledge at all and should stop acting like you do. You just make yourself look like a fool. Having someone that cool and collected suddenly change like that without a mental break is extremely inconsistent writing. Getting nervous or unnerved is one thing, changing your personality is another. At that, the villains of this series always HAVE been inhuman. Aizen just shrugged until Final Getsuga and being sealed. He didn't really overreact until LOLKISUKEAPPEARS. So, if Aizen was that calm and collected, how much of a let down would it be for this guy to be less confident than Señor Godmod himself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakashi Hatake Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 ... You really have no literary knowledge at all and should stop acting like you do. You just make yourself look like a fool.Really? My opinion of you is that you have a skull too small for your brain so it makes you think that your brain is bigger than usual....You have an ego, yo. Having someone that cool and collected suddenly change like that without a mental break is extremely inconsistent writing. Getting nervous or unnerved is one thing, changing your personality is another.His personality didn't really change at all. He was confident the whole time but just got upset after seeing Yamamoto's power. Not to mention having to fight through the bodies of his dead comrades and then having a chunk of his body cut out. At that, the villains of this series always HAVE been inhuman. Aizen just shrugged until Final Getsuga and being sealed. He didn't really overreact until LOLKISUKEAPPEARS. So, if Aizen was that calm and collected, how much of a let down would it be for this guy to be less confident than Señor Godmod himself?Please don't bring Aizen into this. Juha Bach has literally nothing to do with him and is in no way like him unless you count being a villain. Besides, Aizen was several times more powerful than Juha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 You're a bit dense, eh? I don't think highly of myself not in the least, and it's quite the opposite. I just think that people with no knowledge should shut up. He was constantly getting riled up the whole fight in a way that wasn't consistent with his character. The final straw was the Suzaku power, but it was still there the whole time. It wasn't consistent with the Juha Bach we've seen, at all, and there's no way he'd get seriously riled up without a mental break. Aizen's several times more powerful wha? Juha brought out Yamamoto's Bankai, even if just in a sense of "I'mma need this." Aizen did no such thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakashi Hatake Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 You're a bit dense, eh? I don't think highly of myself not in the least, and it's quite the opposite. I just think that people with no knowledge should shut up.By "ego", I meant that you seem to believe that your literary abilities are greater than mine. But I guess two clashing opinions always result in one side thinking that they're more right than the other. He was constantly getting riled up the whole fight in a way that wasn't consistent with his character. The final straw was the Suzaku power, but it was still there the whole time. It wasn't consistent with the Juha Bach we've seen, at all, and there's no way he'd get seriously riled up without a mental break.All we know about Juha's personality is that he's completely head-strong when it comes to those that are weaker than him but all of a sudden, it's bad writing when he's scared of someone who is blatantly stronger than he is? Aizen's several times more powerful wha? Juha brought out Yamamoto's Bankai, even if just in a sense of "I'mma need this." Aizen did no such thing.I have no idea why Kubo didn't use Yamamoto's bankai against Aizen. Maybe he wanted to save it for the end of the series. Anyway, we'll never know which is stronger unless they g head to head but I believe that Yamamoto only used his bankai against Juha because he made him really really angry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 So... because I believe that you have no knowledge, given your blind support for whatever a mangaka does, I have an ego. Okay then. To this point, Juha's been shown to be a calm, collected leader who appeared to be very arrogant and powerful. Juha in this case, albeit an apparent clone, completely changed who he was. Someone like that should have had power to back it up, but he just got scared for the most part. That's not consistent with the bit of Juha Bach we DO know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakashi Hatake Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 So... because I believe that you have no knowledge, given your blind support for whatever a mangaka does, I have an ego. Okay then.I don't have blind support for whatever a mangaka does. There are many things I don't agree with or like in many manga including Bleach. To this point, Juha's been shown to be a calm, collected leader who appeared to be very arrogant and powerful. Juha in this case, albeit an apparent clone, completely changed who he was. Someone like that should have had power to back it up, but he just got scared for the most part. That's not consistent with the bit of Juha Bach we DO know.He's not an apparent clone, that's just whatever theory you guys made up after reading this latest chapter-- but what we DO know is that Juha is confident towards those weaker than but unnerved by those stronger. You can;t just say that we DO know that that's not his personality when what we have been shown is that it completely is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 I've yet to see you protest one thing. You always go "it's right, you're wrong". "I'm sorry Lord Juha Bach"... How does that not imply it was a shapeshifter/clone/etc.? Plus, he's shown a personality type. Changing that drastically isn't realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakashi Hatake Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 I've yet to see you protest one thing. You always go "it's right, you're wrong".Maybe in this conversation, yeah-- but I've not agreed with many things before though I haven't always posted it here because I believe that it serves no purpose other than self-satisfaction because God knows, it'll never reach nor phase Tite Kubo. "I'm sorry Lord Juha Bach"... How does that not imply it was a shapeshifter/clone/etc.?He didn't say "Lord" so I thought that Yamoto said that. My bad. That doesn't say exactly that he's a clone though, but probably just a stand-in. It's happened before. Plus, he's shown a personality type. Changing that drastically isn't realistic.So you're saying that it's impossible for a person's personality to be confident against anything that is weaker than themselves but scared of anything stronger? That's pretty much everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 So you have no proof that you dislike what's going on... and only say support? That doesn't really make sense. He said Juha Bach-sama. Sama translates to Lord in cases like this. Clone/Shapeshifter/etc. It's someone masquerading as Juha Bach. He changed who he was drastically, for all appearances. Of course he'd be scared or nervous against someone stronger, but not that drastically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakashi Hatake Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 So you have no proof that you dislike what's going on... and only say support? That doesn't really make sense.Me saying that I don't like some of the things that have happened isn't enough proof that I don't like some of the things that have happened? In that case, you don't have enough proof because you've only talked about not liking what's going on too. He said Juha Bach-sama. Sama translates to Lord in cases like this. Clone/Shapeshifter/etc. It's someone masquerading as Juha Bach.I did not know that. He changed who he was drastically, for all appearances. Of course he'd be scared or nervous against someone stronger, but not that drastically.I do hope that you acknowledge that that is only your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 You realize circular logic doesn't work, right? I have supported things in public, and given my two cents, such as saying I do have a soft spot for Tobi!Zetsu. So try harder. It's an opinion to say that someone shouldn't do a 180 in personality? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakashi Hatake Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 You realize circular logic doesn't work, right? I have supported things in public, and given my two cents, such as saying I do have a soft spot for Tobi!Zetsu. So try harder.Excuse me, I figured that I should have worded that better. I meant that if me talking about not liking stuff isn;t proof that I don't like it, then you talking about not liking it isn't enough proof either. Just like you, I have discussed things that I don't like about the current situation. I have talked about not liking aspects of Yamamoto's bankai. I have talked about not liking the fact that Ichigo is stuck in a cage. I have talked about hoping that Byakuya actually is dead. I've talked about many of the things that I do not like in Bleach just like you. It's an opinion to say that someone shouldn't do a 180 in personality? Really?Yes. Now, if you had some hard evidence to show that he should not have been scared of Yamamoto and that him having been scared is bad writing, then I'd agree with you but just saying that it is bad writing is opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Fear =/= 180 Change, and I don't get how you think it does. Ulquiorra was scared of Ichigo's full hollow form when it overwhelmed him, but he didn't change his personality. How should this be any different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakashi Hatake Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Fear =/= 180 Change, and I don't get how you think it does. Ulquiorra was scared of Ichigo's full hollow form when it overwhelmed him, but he didn't change his personality. How should this be any different?Imagine you're with a baby lion. It's cute and adorable and fun to play with. Then, big-ass daddy lion comes rushing over. What would you want to do? Ulquiorra was also a completely different character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Imagine you're with a baby lion. It's cute and adorable and fun to play with. Then, big-ass daddy lion comes rushing over. What would you want to do? Ulquiorra was also a completely different character.I fail to see the validity of that statement, considering I wouldn't change my personality. Also don't know why I'd be stupid enough to play with a wild lion cub or a lion cub in the zoo when its parents would tear me apart. Stop using the bolded argument. It's a completely invalid point that has no weight. Being different characters has nothing to do with how it should be written. Okay, another example. Aizen was scared of the Final Getsuga, but he didn't completely change until Kisuke showed up and caused his mental break. Grimmjow didn't change when Ichigo and Shinji's masks unnerved him, though they did amplify his traits. It goes on and on. Fear can cause a bit of a change in how someone behaves, yes. Changing THAT drastically isn't realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakashi Hatake Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 I fail to see the validity of that statement, considering I wouldn't change my personality. Also don't know why I'd be stupid enough to play with a wild lion cub or a lion cub in the zoo when its parents would tear me apart. Stop using the bolded argument. It's a completely invalid point that has no weight. Being different characters has nothing to do with how it should be written. Okay, another example. Aizen was scared of the Final Getsuga, but he didn't completely change until Kisuke showed up and caused his mental break. Grimmjow didn't change when Ichigo and Shinji's masks unnerved him, though they did amplify his traits. It goes on and on. Fear can cause a bit of a change in how someone behaves, yes. Changing THAT drastically isn't realistic.The lion thing was a hypothetical, man. Depends on how scared they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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